MNf - WTF

I think we could put together a better ref crew than these replacements. Okay, looking for volunteers.
 
Rule 8 Section 1 Article 3 Item 5:

Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players
retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an
opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such
players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
 
Yeah but there was a totally missed PI a couple of plays earlier where the safety totally rolled the TE - you could go on and on - just like in every game, every year, not just with replacement refs.

Frankly I think ESPN is trying to create a circus out of the whole replacement ref thing and John Gruden is obviously head clown. I think those two in the booth tonight were a hell of a lot less professional than any of the refs on the field.

Agree completely that ESPN is creating a circus. Their behavior in the booth was horrible and I was about to make an individual post on it until this last play happened and kind of took the spotlight.
 
possession in that circumstance is not reviewable. they can only review if the ball hit the ground, but not who had it. that determination goes back to the call on the field.

This probably will be changed next year.
 
Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.
 
I actually agree with the last call. But not calling the push-off was bad. The two calls that cost GB the most were the phantom roughing the passer on Wilson that took away the INT and the phantom pass interference on 1st and 30. Both of those were absolutely HORRID calls.

Watching the game last night and the one tonight, there had to be around 40 totally penalties accepted in the two games, and I think that's not necessarily because the refs are calling everything, but that the players have no idea what will or won't be called, so they are playing rougher to try to get away with things.
 
Steve Young is almost in tears on the desk about the game being ruined. Totally agree with what he just said.
 
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This picture really says it all. Two refs two different calls.

You will often see only the ref who actually sees a TD make the TD call. The other ref is stopping the clock (which has expired) and is also something you will see a ref who did not see the TD do. Two different signals, but not conflicting.
 
The key part is that the wording of the rule is written based on control and not on possession.
 
I think we could put together a better ref crew than these replacements. Okay, looking for volunteers.
I'm game!

As a Vikings fan, it feels great to be one of the teams in first in the North, but as a football fan, I can't believe this. It'll be great if the real refs come back because these replacement refs can definitely make some games hard to watch. It won't stop me from watching, but something's gotta change.
 
I have not seen one decent officiated game in NFL this year. The college refs are superior at this point.
 
I have not seen one decent officiated game in NFL this year. The college refs are superior at this point.
FBS refs have more training and experience, so that's not exactly a shocking revelation.
 
This is pathetic. Bad calls on both sides with the worst on the final play. 2 refs right on top of it could not even agree. I can't fault them completely on the missed PI on the last play as the normal zebras miss those. But calling a catch on that play is just foolish.

The sad part is, what compels the NFL to fix it? This is a huge story ans everyone is watching. People talking about it all week. I can't stand Steve Young the desk guy - but he is 100% spot on. The NfL is treating the refs as a commodity and not an integral part of the game with running unprepared replacements onto the field.


Instead of considering game integrity and player safety...the NFL has chosen money and ratings as their only important factors. Completely contradicts all the player safety movements over the last decade.
 
The key part is that the wording of the rule is written based on control and not on possession.

How do you control the ball without possessing it? How do you possess the ball without controlling it? I'm not seeing what the difference is? Jennings controlled/possessed the ball, and Tate controlled/possessed Jennings while simultaneously touching the ball. Tate neither controlled nor possessed the ball. I'm not sure where the confusion is.
 

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