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[Hawkeye11en1]

But why doesn't two hands give someone control?

So why are you arguing? Because Jennings had 2 hands on it first.

 

[Mr Janny]

I don't know if the regular refs would have helped here. Why?

-this is a hell of a call either way

-anybody can make an initial mistake from a sub-optimal angle to see Tate's arms on the ball when everybody comes to the ground, no idea that the Packers might have had it cleaner and first

-I'm not even sure what the rules are for governing "possession" versus "simultaneous possession" in these instances

-the replay officials are the NORMAL ones--they're a different union

-this was going to be booth no matter what happened, and the normal replay refs couldn't overturn it

Hence, I think this was going to be a cluster of an ending no matter what happened. I'm pretty sure the standard of four hands on the ball isn't, "That guy just *looked* like he had it more than the other guy somehow."

I don't feel this is an actual black eye to the integrity of the game for the above reasons, but I'm sure this will still giving the pundits something to talk about. The silver lining to this that it will probably bring the regular officials back now, which, despite my feelings it wouldn't have mattered with this one, is a good thing.

this. It was a judgement call on the td. the wrong call was made, imho, but it was called that way. from that point on, the refs did the right thing. you can't overturn it once the call on the field is made

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

this. It was a judgement call on the td. the wrong call was made, imho, but it was called that way. from that point on, the refs did the right thing. you can't overturn it once the call on the field is made

I'm def not arguing the review. I get you can't change it. But cmon.

 

[3TrueFans]

So why are you arguing? Because Jennings had 2 hands on it first.

I guess my only question is when is possession given to a player. I'm under the impression it's not until they're on the ground in bounds, in which case they both had two hands on the ball when they hit the ground. If it's an instantaneous thing then Jennings had possession first.

 

[Wesley]

I think when the players hit ground they both had two hands on the ball, does that make it simultaneous? I don't know. In the land of 3TrueFans I think it should because I think of possession not occurring until you're on the ground in bounds.

Packer had two hands on it while Tate had one hand until they hit the ground when Tate had the second hand on it. No play review at end. They screwed that review up also. The replacement refs are worse than worse. Where did they soak these guys up from?

 

[Iastfan112]

Sad thing is... the guys reviewing in the booth are not replacement refs. They are the normal guys!

That said... the replacement refs blew it and have been blowing it all year!

And the NFL is losing credibility. Soon they will start losing fans.

And if I was Ed Hochuli, I would not be smiling at all (as someone stated earlier in the thread) because the game is being ruined...

Thing is, at least what the talking heads and retired ref/consultant said the replay booth can't overturn that call. It's not reviewable for some reason(why?).

 

[Clones21]

Refs did a great job tonight.

 

[RayShimley]

Who even cares about simultaneous possession? The push off on Shields was ridiculous.

 

[ISUCyclones2015]

I for one am loving the ******** and yelling that Packers fans here in the Dorms. Makes me feel good to be a Browns fan, we lose the normal way.

 

[VeloClone]

Whether the call was right or not - and I have to agree whole heartedly with Sigmapolis on this - Jennings made a stupid play. He is at the back of the endzone; tip the ball out the back of the endzone and enjoy your victory. Try to be BMOC and make an interception instead and give Seattle a chance.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

I guess my only question is when is possession given to a player. I'm under the impression it's not until they're on the ground in bounds, in which case they both had two hands on the ball when they hit the ground. If it's an instantaneous thing then Jennings had possession first.

When talking about a tie for a catch, it's about control first. To me, Tate never actually had any control of it. Jennings had two hands on it, therefore control. And now it can't be simultaneous.

 

[Wesley]

Thing is, at least what the talking heads and retired ref/consultant said the replay booth can't overturn that call. It's not reviewable for some reason(why?).

End zone TD play is not reviewable? They however reviewed it anyway and still had it wrong.

 

[CycloneRulzzz]

This picture really says it all. Two refs two different calls.

 

[Hawkeye11en1]

Whether the call was right or not - and I have to agree whole heartedly with Sigmapolis on this - Jennings made a stupid play. He is at the back of the endzone; tip the ball out the back of the endzone and enjoy your victory. Try to be BMOC and make an interception instead and give Seattle a chance.

Agreed. Always knock it down.

(unless you are Tennessee and the Detroit guy is standing there waiting for it) LOL

 

[CynadoAlley]

This is easily the most bizarre thing I have ever seen in all of my years of watching the NFL. Just crazy..

 

[3TrueFans]

When talking about a tie for a catch, it's about control first. To me, Tate never actually had any control of it. Jennings had two hands on it, therefore control. And now it can't be simultaneous.

See post in other thread, I can't admit I'm wrong twice in one night.

 

[Storkenheimer]

Whether the call was right or not - and I have to agree whole heartedly with Sigmapolis on this - Jennings made a stupid play. He is at the back of the endzone; tip the ball out the back of the endzone and enjoy your victory. Try to be BMOC and make an interception instead and give Seattle a chance.

Did you see the Titans Lions game yesterday? Trying to knock it down can backfire.

 

[Doc]

Whether the call was right or not - and I have to agree whole heartedly with Sigmapolis on this - Jennings made a stupid play. He is at the back of the endzone; tip the ball out the back of the endzone and enjoy your victory. Try to be BMOC and make an interception instead and give Seattle a chance.

How the heck is he supposed to hit it out of the back of the end zone from where he was jumping?

 

[Mr Janny]

End zone TD play is not reviewable? They however reviewed it anyway and still had it wrong.

possession in that circumstance is not reviewable. they can only review if the ball hit the ground, but not who had it. that determination goes back to the call on the field.

 

[VeloClone]

Who even cares about simultaneous possession? The push off on Shields was ridiculous.

Yeah but there was a totally missed PI a couple of plays earlier where the safety totally rolled the TE - you could go on and on - just like in every game, every year, not just with replacement refs.

Frankly I think ESPN is trying to create a circus out of the whole replacement ref thing and John Gruden is obviously head clown. I think those two in the booth tonight were a hell of a lot less professional than any of the refs on the field.