Discipline and focus

[dualthreat]

we are not a disciplined football team

i hate the "facepalm" pictures. and if you post them, you are a moron.

that is all i have to contribute to this thread

 

[rebecacy]

It's going to take a few years for Rhoads to build a program, especially at a place like ISU. An individual cannot reasonably believe that the process will happen overnight, and I believe that ISU needs to have a passionate coach like a Paul Rhoads. A program such as ISU needs someone to be passionate about leading the Cyclones in order to get other people excited about playing for the team or expanding the fan base to watch this team.

In my lifetime there has been two coaches that fit this description, Dan McCarney and Paul Rhoads. Those coaches have been able to sell ISU to other people and energize the fan base. Gene Chizik may have been able to built a winner but he was not going to sell ISU as a product. He doesn't have the personality to do it, and it was going take him more time to build the program because of it.

Any mention of DMac scares the crap out of me. I don't want ISU FB to be mediocre, at best, and then flame out. That is DMac's legacy. It cannot be CPRs. I suspect we will see some coaching changes before the 1st of the year.

 

[istater7]

Football is an emotional game. I would honestly hate to watch Iowa State Football turn into a "buisness" type of game. Yes, our team is incredibly undisciplined, but I'm sure it will be fixed. As I said, football is an emotional game and players need to show that emotion. If you don't agree with me, you've never played football before.

 

[jmb]

OP has a point. Our team has troubles. There's no reason to be upset that somebody mentions it.

mentioning it is fine. point to jeanie chizik as the bastion of disipline and integrity is comical.

 

[CycloneErik]

We were not getting out butts handed to us against Texas. FOUR times our defense started within the forty yard line and gave up 13 points. We took ourselves out of the game. And it was shown through the final score. That was hardly a butt handing.



Except when he starts bringing up how Chizik's coaching style is somehow is better. And it only managed 5 wins in two years.

Was it rebecacy that brought up Chizik, or did people decide to make that assumption since his name was on the post?

Some posters have been horribly defensive today over the idea that our team has a discipline problem.

For those who say that people are going off the deep end with that, that doesn't mean we're referring to the Clones as a thuggish team. We're referring to them as a team that lacks self-control at the key moments, and lets emotion get the best of them. That starts with our 1st quarter overthrows, continues on with late hits and other assorted crucial penalties that we save for the choicest moments to kill as much momentum as possible.

The OP doesn't have to raise the banner for Chizik to say we have a discipline problem. That should be a fair topic of discussion, since it's been an issue for 4 games now.

Hopefully the loss got the players' attention and we don't bother discussing it again. That would be nice.

 

[alarson]

OP has a point. Our team has troubles. There's no reason to be upset that somebody mentions it.

Yes, he does. But he didnt have to bring Chizik in. That was purely designed to get the reaction its gotten. He's admitted in the past he likes to tweak the boards. Everyone bit hard on this one..

 

[FootballinTexas]

We were not getting out butts handed to us against Texas. FOUR times our defense started within the forty yard line and gave up 13 points. We took ourselves out of the game. And it was shown through the final score. That was hardly a butt handing.



Except when he starts bringing up how Chizik's coaching style is somehow is better. And it only managed 5 wins in two years.

Your right. 34-0 at the half is an ***-whooping! I don't care how you get it. With a belt, switch, or a piece of 2 x 4.

 

[jmb]

Too much emotion is a bad thing in both our coaches and players. We need some of the military approach in our coaching of this team. There is a reason GC did that "stupid thing" of making the players line up their helmets. Also, I can not believe that LJ was trotting out on the next series after an inexcusable personal foul. Sometimes "family" members need a swift kick in the ***.

for erik

 

[CycloneErik]

for erik

OK, evidence says I'll give you that one.

 

[CyCrazy]

Any mention of DMac scares the crap out of me. I don't want ISU FB to be mediocre, at best, and then flame out. That is DMac's legacy. It cannot be CPRs. I suspect we will see some coaching changes before the 1st of the year.

Dmac did more than Cheezwhiz, just saying.

 

[SenorCy]

we are not a disciplined football team

i hate the "facepalm" pictures. and if you post them, you are a moron.

that is all i have to contribute to this thread

 

[Cy$]

Chizik sucks, CPR doesn't.

could end the thread here but I like the posts here so continue :yes:

 

[rebecacy]

We were not getting out butts handed to us against Texas. FOUR times our defense started within the forty yard line and gave up 13 points. We took ourselves out of the game. And it was shown through the final score. That was hardly a butt handing.



Except when he starts bringing up how Chizik's coaching style is somehow is better. And it only managed 5 wins in two years.

I used an example to talk about improving discipline. You all jumped off the cliff. Including a MOD attack ('85). Being behind 34-0 a the half is the definition of a butt kicking. Too much STUPID football is the reason for the butt kicking. Some change in coaching style is a possible need or avenue to fixing the problems. This is what I am trying to discuss. This celebrating after every single reasonably good play is BS, act like you expect it. Discipline has to start somewhere and lining up helmets as a team, showing a lot more class on the field as a team, and being held accountable for mistakes (benched) might be helpful.

 

[CyCrazy]

I used an example to talk about improving discipline. You all jumped off the cliff. Including a MOD attack. Being behind 34-0 a the half is the definition of a butt kicking. Too much STUPID football is the reason for the butt kicking. Some change in coaching style is a possible need or avenue to fixing the problems. This is what I am trying to discuss. This celebrating after every single reasonably good play is BS, act like you expect it. Discipline has to start somewhere and lining up helmets as a team, showing a lot more class on the field as a team, and being held accountable for mistakes (benched) might be helpful.

Apparently that is not CPR's style(and you have butt hurt its not). Yet again you come back to something Chizik did. How did that work for us?

 

[SenorCy]

Discipline has to start somewhere and lining up helmets as a team, showing a lot more class on the field as a team, and being held accountable for mistakes (benched) might be helpful.

What is this lining up helmets thing and what does it have to do with anything? Are players with OCD more disciplined?

 

[jmb]

I used an example to talk about improving discipline. You all jumped off the cliff. Including a MOD attack. Being behind 34-0 a the half is the definition of a butt kicking. Too much STUPID football is the reason for the butt kicking. Some change in coaching style is a possible need or avenue to fixing the problems. This is what I am trying to discuss. This celebrating after every single reasonably good play is BS, act like you expect it. Discipline has to start somewhere and lining up helmets as a team, showing a lot more class on the field as a team, and being held accountable for mistakes (benched) might be helpful.

It might not be either. So you MIGHT want to stick to pontificating on your connections, the St Louis athletic club, and your GC man crush etc etc. BUt then again you MIGHT not.

 

[rebecacy]

Apparently that is not CPR's style(and you have butt hurt its not). Yet again you come back to something Chizik did. How did that work for us?

No idea what his ISU coached team would look like 4 games into year three. So can't make a valid comparison.

 

[jmb]

No idea what his ISU coached team would look like 4 games into year three. So can't make a valid comparison.

wait a second...there is a fact pattern here based upon Jeanie's work in year 1/2, one could easily extrapolate the outcomes. However; we have NO history under Paul about helmet practice and you ARE able to extrapolate disipline outcomes. Amazing! You have an uncanny insight in disipline(football based) but not one iota of ability to pontificate on football outcomes based upon historical outputs. Weird.

 

[CyCrazy]

No idea what his ISU coached team would look like 4 games into year three. So can't make a valid comparison.

Bingo so why bring GC into this conversation? I am not happy with Penaltys/Turnovers but you always twist it to shed a light on GC which is mind blowing.

 

[rebecacy]

wait a second...there is a fact pattern here based upon Jeanie's work in year 1/2, one could easily extrapolate the outcomes. However; we have NO history under Paul about helmet practice and you ARE able to extrapolate disipline outcomes. Amazing! You have an uncanny insight in disipline(football based) but not one iota of ability to pontificate on football outcomes based upon historical outputs. Weird.

Let me make it simple 1) I can see that we do not have a disciplined team because I have watched the team play four games of stupid football in year three of our current coaches ISU career. 2) I can never know what year 3 would have been with the previous coach because there was no year three. All my original post said was that we might need a more strict coaching style because we don't have a disciplined team and are obviously playing STUPID football. Ben Bruns said exactly this in his post game. "Same dumb football for 4 games and it finally ended in a loss when we played a reasonably good team."