WWJD- What Will Jamie Do?

[Cy$]

Some names I think Jamie should look at.

1- Jeff Hornacek (duh)

2- Brad Underwood (Stephen F. Austin) - Former Kansas St. player. He's been at Stephen F. Austin for 2 years and has a 61-8 record with 2 NCAA appearances. I would bet that Kansas St. will want him to become their next coach, would be funny if Iowa State grabbed him before K-St. could. Up-tempo style would favor Iowa State's players. Stephen F. Austin was 1st in assists, 5th in Field Goal percentage, 9th in points scored. Would be a great hire but him being a former Kansas St. player could block the deal.

3- Bryce Drew (Valpo) - would need a big offer for him to come here. He's their version of Fred. Coached 4 years and has gone to 2 NCAA tournaments. His brother is the coach of Baylor, who knows?...

4- Steve Masiello (Manhattan) - Up and coming coach. He was suppose to go to South Florida but didn't have his degree or something like that so he's still at Manhattan. Back to back NCAA appearances. Assistant for Rick Pitino back in the day.

5- Tommy Amaker (Harvard) - meh, but better than bringing Floyd back IMO. He's done great at Harvard and might want to go to a bigger basketball school, bigger pay, less academic requirements. He didn't do very good at Michigan though but I guess there's worse...

Andrew Toole out of Robert Morris might be another interesting name. Young coach with a lot of potential.


- Larry Eustachy (Colorado St.) - Unpopular name on this list, but there are worse candidates out there. Obvious Iowa State connection. S Miss struggled mostly with him there. Colorado St. has an NCAA and NIT appearance since then. Can't see it but you never know.

- Frank Martin (S Carolina) - Cyclone fans know who he is. Complete opposite of Fred as far as coaching style. Not sure if he would get along with Pollard. 5 years ago people would be more welcoming to the hire. Has failed at S Carolina but maybe he can bring what he did at K-St? Doubt it.


Not the greatest list of candidates but this late in the game and Iowa State, it's unlikely ISU will hire a proven, current P5 coach. It would be pretty shocking honestly.

 

[cycloneworld]

Some names I think Jamie should look at.

1- Jeff Hornacek (duh)

2- Brad Underwood (Stephen F. Austin) - Former Kansas St. player. He's been at Stephen F. Austin for 2 years and has a 61-8 record with 2 NCAA appearances. I would bet that Kansas St. will want him to become their next coach, would be funny if Iowa State grabbed him before K-St. could. Up-tempo style would favor Iowa State's players. Stephen F. Austin was 1st in assists, 5th in Field Goal percentage, 9th in points scored. Would be a great hire but him being a former Kansas St. player could block the deal.

3- Bryce Drew (Valpo) - would need a big offer for him to come here. He's their version of Fred. Coached 4 years and has gone to 2 NCAA tournaments. His brother is the coach of Baylor, who knows?...

These would be my top 3 realistic choices, in that order. If we can't land any of them or if JP can't pull a rabbit out of a hat and land another surprising homerun hire, then I'm fine with TJ getting the job over the others. The upside of TJ is higher than Larry, Amaker, or Frank Martin IMO.

 

[LindenCy]

Some names I think Jamie should look at.

1- Jeff Hornacek (duh)

2- Brad Underwood (Stephen F. Austin) - Former Kansas St. player. He's been at Stephen F. Austin for 2 years and has a 61-8 record with 2 NCAA appearances. I would bet that Kansas St. will want him to become their next coach, would be funny if Iowa State grabbed him before K-St. could. Up-tempo style would favor Iowa State's players. Stephen F. Austin was 1st in assists, 5th in Field Goal percentage, 9th in points scored. Would be a great hire but him being a former Kansas St. player could block the deal.

3- Bryce Drew (Valpo) - would need a big offer for him to come here. He's their version of Fred. Coached 4 years and has gone to 2 NCAA tournaments. His brother is the coach of Baylor, who knows?...

4- Steve Masiello (Manhattan) - Up and coming coach. He was suppose to go to South Florida but didn't have his degree or something like that so he's still at Manhattan. Back to back NCAA appearances. Assistant for Rick Pitino back in the day.

5- Tommy Amaker (Harvard) - meh, but better than bringing Floyd back IMO. He's done great at Harvard and might want to go to a bigger basketball school, bigger pay, less academic requirements. He didn't do very good at Michigan though but I guess there's worse...

Andrew Toole out of Robert Morris might be another interesting name. Young coach with a lot of potential.


- Larry Eustachy (Colorado St.) - Unpopular name on this list, but there are worse candidates out there. Obvious Iowa State connection. S Miss struggled mostly with him there. Colorado St. has an NCAA and NIT appearance since then. Can't see it but you never know.

- Frank Martin (S Carolina) - Cyclone fans know who he is. Complete opposite of Fred as far as coaching style. Not sure if he would get along with Pollard. 5 years ago people would be more welcoming to the hire. Has failed at S Carolina but maybe he can bring what he did at K-St? Doubt it.


Not the greatest list of candidates but this late in the game and Iowa State, it's unlikely ISU will hire a proven, current P5 coach. It would be pretty shocking honestly.

I don't know if this list is feasible or not, but it is one of the few lists on CF right now that posts some attractive and diverse candidates. That is something we definitely need.

 

[im4cyclones]

It's hard to believe that in this case since insiders on here have been advocating for TJ.

How many insiders knew JP was going to hire Fred? How many knew Chizik? No one knew anything more than a day in advance of either of those hires. Shoot, Chris Williams got news of the Hoiberg hire while on the radio as a guest host right before ISU announced it (via John Walters). So don't trust the insiders when it comes to JP. He plays it pretty close to the vest.

 

[Haverhill]

How many insiders knew JP was going to hire Fred? How many knew Chizik? No one knew anything more than a day in advance of either of those hires. Shoot, Chris Williams got news of the Hoiberg hire while on the radio as a guest host right before ISU announced it (via John Walters). So don't trust the insiders when it comes to JP. He plays it pretty close to the vest.

I wish he would use the advice of a search firm, or I at least hope he leans on Gary Thompson to make a decision. His athletic department and legacy are on the line if there is a coaching search.

 

[Spam]

I wish he would use the advice of a search firm, or I at least hope he leans on Gary Thompson to make a decision. His athletic department and legacy are on the line if there is a coaching search.

Gary Thompson, while one of ISU's legends, is 80+ years old and probably out of touch with the current pool of coaches. I don't see what he would offer.

As for a search firm. Why? What kind of advice do you think they would offer?

 

[cycloneworld]

As for a search firm. Why? What kind of advice do you think they would offer?

A search firm can talk to coaches agents so both sides can claim no contact. The only reason you don't hire a search firm is if you know who your guy already is and have him locked in. Or if you don't care to be publicly rebuked by other coaches.

 

[Haverhill]

Gary Thompson, while one of ISU's legends, is 80+ years old and probably out of touch with the current pool of coaches. I don't see what he would offer.

As for a search firm. Why? What kind of advice do you think they would offer?

I just hope he consults with good basketball minds in regards to the next coach at ISU. He's admittedly a track/cross country guy, not a basketball or football guy. This potential coaching search could make or break the program for the next decade or two.

 

[acgclone]

JP has had plenty of practice in hiring coaches for our major sports, so hopefully he's getting better and better. I happen to think he'll surprise us in a good way if Fred leaves.

 

[im4cyclones]

You guys do realize that there is more than JP offering the job? Someone has to take it. And it isn't going to be an easy job. I am not even sure Fred can live up to the expectations of next year. If we don't make an Elite Eight, any new coach would be seen as a failure by a lot of fans. And then follow it up with a bad 16-17 season? Whoever he is, there is a strong chance he could lose the fanbase.

The old saying... You don't want to be the guy that follows The Guy.

 

[acgclone]

You guys do realize that there is more than JP offering the job? Someone has to take it. And it isn't going to be an easy job. I am not even sure Fred can live up to the expectations of next year. If we don't make an Elite Eight, any new coach would be seen as a failure by a lot of fans. And then follow it up with a bad 16-17 season? Whoever he is, there is a strong chance he could lose the fanbase.

The old saying... You don't want to be the guy that follows The Guy.

There are plenty of cases of successful "successors" in sports. Also, Fred has only been here for 5 years and gone to as far as the Sweet 16. If the next guy was walking into a situation where Fred had been here 15 years and gone to 3 Final Fours, then I think there would be a much bigger risk.

Even though it won't be easy, I think this job is a lot better than many are giving it credit for.

We have some very solid history in the last 30 years that says you can be very successful at ISU.

We have Hilton and some of the best MBB fan support in the nation.

Our MBB facilities are very good overall.

Whoever takes over has a legit team filled with talented players to work with in their first year.

The key will be someone that can come in and coach these guys to close to their potential and then re-load quickly after we lose Niang, McKay, Naz, Nader and possibly Morris.

That would be tough for anyone, including Fred at this point. However we can offer immediate playing time and capitalize on some transfers.

I see a good coach taking next year's team to roughly the Sweet 16 (plus or minus), and then having a bubble type team the following year.

Then, depending on who he brings in from the HS ranks in 2016, the next 2-3 years can be set up for another nice stretch.

 

[cycloneworld]

You guys do realize that there is more than JP offering the job? Someone has to take it. And it isn't going to be an easy job. I am not even sure Fred can live up to the expectations of next year. If we don't make an Elite Eight, any new coach would be seen as a failure by a lot of fans. And then follow it up with a bad 16-17 season? Whoever he is, there is a strong chance he could lose the fanbase.

The old saying... You don't want to be the guy that follows The Guy.

Certainly some would. But the majority of good fans realize how much of a crapshoot the NCAA tournament is. I don't consider last season a failure just because we lost to UAB. It was certainly a disappointing ending but by no means a failed season.

I expect next year's coach, whoever that may be, to contend for a Big 12 title (not necessarily win it) and to position the team well in the NCAA tournament to hopefully make a run. Fred hasn't made an Elite 8 here in 5 years, I certainly don't expect a new head coach to do it in year 1.

 

[cyclones500]

Some names I think Jamie should look at.

1- Jeff Hornacek (duh)

2- Brad Underwood (Stephen F. Austin) - Former Kansas St. player. He's been at Stephen F. Austin for 2 years and has a 61-8 record with 2 NCAA appearances. I would bet that Kansas St. will want him to become their next coach, would be funny if Iowa State grabbed him before K-St. could. Up-tempo style would favor Iowa State's players. Stephen F. Austin was 1st in assists, 5th in Field Goal percentage, 9th in points scored. Would be a great hire but him being a former Kansas St. player could block the deal.

3- Bryce Drew (Valpo) - would need a big offer for him to come here. He's their version of Fred. Coached 4 years and has gone to 2 NCAA tournaments. His brother is the coach of Baylor, who knows?...

4- Steve Masiello (Manhattan) - Up and coming coach. He was suppose to go to South Florida but didn't have his degree or something like that so he's still at Manhattan. Back to back NCAA appearances. Assistant for Rick Pitino back in the day.

5- Tommy Amaker (Harvard) - meh, but better than bringing Floyd back IMO. He's done great at Harvard and might want to go to a bigger basketball school, bigger pay, less academic requirements. He didn't do very good at Michigan though but I guess there's worse...

Andrew Toole out of Robert Morris might be another interesting name. Young coach with a lot of potential.


- Larry Eustachy (Colorado St.) - Unpopular name on this list, but there are worse candidates out there. Obvious Iowa State connection. S Miss struggled mostly with him there. Colorado St. has an NCAA and NIT appearance since then. Can't see it but you never know.

- Frank Martin (S Carolina) - Cyclone fans know who he is. Complete opposite of Fred as far as coaching style. Not sure if he would get along with Pollard. 5 years ago people would be more welcoming to the hire. Has failed at S Carolina but maybe he can bring what he did at K-St? Doubt it.


Not the greatest list of candidates but this late in the game and Iowa State, it's unlikely ISU will hire a proven, current P5 coach. It would be pretty shocking honestly.

A few other CF'ers have presented candidates that should not be ignored (with some overlap to your list); can't locate which thread(s) ... yours may be the first with synopses to support each. (Anyone feel free to correct me on that).

I'd remove Martin and LE, the rest are worth considering. Two or three others are possibilities — I won't post those until I can include summaries.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Some names I think Jamie should look at.

1- Jeff Hornacek (duh)

2- Brad Underwood (Stephen F. Austin) - Former Kansas St. player. He's been at Stephen F. Austin for 2 years and has a 61-8 record with 2 NCAA appearances. I would bet that Kansas St. will want him to become their next coach, would be funny if Iowa State grabbed him before K-St. could. Up-tempo style would favor Iowa State's players. Stephen F. Austin was 1st in assists, 5th in Field Goal percentage, 9th in points scored. Would be a great hire but him being a former Kansas St. player could block the deal.

3- Bryce Drew (Valpo) - would need a big offer for him to come here. He's their version of Fred. Coached 4 years and has gone to 2 NCAA tournaments. His brother is the coach of Baylor, who knows?...

4- Steve Masiello (Manhattan) - Up and coming coach. He was suppose to go to South Florida but didn't have his degree or something like that so he's still at Manhattan. Back to back NCAA appearances. Assistant for Rick Pitino back in the day.

5- Tommy Amaker (Harvard) - meh, but better than bringing Floyd back IMO. He's done great at Harvard and might want to go to a bigger basketball school, bigger pay, less academic requirements. He didn't do very good at Michigan though but I guess there's worse...

Andrew Toole out of Robert Morris might be another interesting name. Young coach with a lot of potential.


- Larry Eustachy (Colorado St.) - Unpopular name on this list, but there are worse candidates out there. Obvious Iowa State connection. S Miss struggled mostly with him there. Colorado St. has an NCAA and NIT appearance since then. Can't see it but you never know.

- Frank Martin (S Carolina) - Cyclone fans know who he is. Complete opposite of Fred as far as coaching style. Not sure if he would get along with Pollard. 5 years ago people would be more welcoming to the hire. Has failed at S Carolina but maybe he can bring what he did at K-St? Doubt it.


Not the greatest list of candidates but this late in the game and Iowa State, it's unlikely ISU will hire a proven, current P5 coach. It would be pretty shocking honestly.

Whar Fran Frischilla?

 

[im4cyclones]

Certainly some would. But the majority of good fans realize how much of a crapshoot the NCAA tournament is. I don't consider last season a failure just because we lost to UAB. It was certainly a disappointing ending but by no means a failed season.

I expect next year's coach, whoever that may be, to contend for a Big 12 title (not necessarily win it) and to position the team well in the NCAA tournament to hopefully make a run. Fred hasn't made an Elite 8 here in 5 years, I certainly don't expect a new head coach to do it in year 1.

Fred hasn't had a team in the pre-season top 5. If we have a new coach next year and if this team stumbles, I'm afraid the new coach will lose the lunatic fringe part of the Cyclone fanbase. Going into next season, expectations are higher than they ever have been. While there is a lot of good to go along with that, it is a tough situation for a new coach to hop into.

 

[im4cyclones]

There are plenty of cases of successful "successors" in sports. Also, Fred has only been here for 5 years and gone to as far as the Sweet 16. If the next guy was walking into a situation where Fred had been here 15 years and gone to 3 Final Fours, then I think there would be a much bigger risk.

Even though it won't be easy, I think this job is a lot better than many are giving it credit for.

We have some very solid history in the last 30 years that says you can be very successful at ISU.

We have Hilton and some of the best MBB fan support in the nation.

Our MBB facilities are very good overall.

Whoever takes over has a legit team filled with talented players to work with in their first year.

The key will be someone that can come in and coach these guys to close to their potential and then re-load quickly after we lose Niang, McKay, Naz, Nader and possibly Morris.

That would be tough for anyone, including Fred at this point. However we can offer immediate playing time and capitalize on some transfers.

I see a good coach taking next year's team to roughly the Sweet 16 (plus or minus), and then having a bubble type team the following year.

Then, depending on who he brings in from the HS ranks in 2016, the next 2-3 years can be set up for another nice stretch.

True. I'm not saying that Fred is the equivalent of Coach K. But, in the eyes of the nation, Fred Hoiberg = ISU. No one could be more loved by the fanbase than him. Local boy, college star, NBA career, comes back to coach and takes ISU to a level few have reached. I think another coach can replace the production but, for ISU, Fred Hoiberg is The Guy. Tough act to follow.

 

[cycloneworld]

Fred hasn't had a team in the pre-season top 5. If we have a new coach next year and if this team stumbles, I'm afraid the new coach will lose the lunatic fringe part of the Cyclone fanbase. Going into next season, expectations are higher than they ever have been. While there is a lot of good to go along with that, it is a tough situation for a new coach to hop into.

Agree 100%. Hell, just read some of the meltdown threads after losses last year WITH Fred. Expectations will be high but to require the new coach to do things even Fred Hoiberg couldn't do are unrealistic.

 

[Thomasrickj]

Agree 100%. Hell, just read some of the meltdown threads after losses last year WITH Fred. Expectations will be high but to require the new coach to do things even Fred Hoiberg couldn't do are unrealistic.

Expectations will be ridiculously high no matter which coach comes in. Have you seen the roster we have next year? I expect us to win a lot of games and compete for the conference championship, both season and tournament.

 

[Cy$]

A few other CF'ers have presented candidates that should not be ignored (with some overlap to your list); can't locate which thread(s) ... yours may be the first with synopses to support each. (Anyone feel free to correct me on that).

I'd remove Martin and LE, the rest are worth considering. Two or three others are possibilities — I won't post those until I can include summaries.

I don't think Martin or LE are realistic/appealing. Posted those 2 for ***** and giggles.

 

[Cyclonesince78]

The only thing I want is a head coach that can beat Texas Tech. Anything else is gravy.