And this is why I want a coach that will continue that style of play. I love watching us play.
WWJD- What Will Jamie Do?
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And this is why I want a coach that will continue that style of play. I love watching us play.
You guys are delusional. Fred has done a great job. But you act like we have just won several National Championships under him.
Money isn't the issue. Fred is being paid very well and would likely get even more raises. At the same time he is 42 years old and has been a Head Coach for 5 years. His best Tourney team was 2 years ago that went to the Sweet Sixteen. Your suggestion of paying $4 million to $5 million for a coach who has not won a National Championship is a bit ridiculous. You are talking about paying Fred more than Tom Izzo and others that have won national championships?
It seems that Fred wants to go to the NBA. If that is his wish, so be it.
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/
I don't disagree but you pay for what someone has the potential to do for you not what they have done in the past. I think Fred is worth more to ISU than he is worth to any other college. What is the cost of not having him and replacing him? It appears from the way people are acting he is worth more to ISU than we are paying him. Need to either give him a long term contract that makes him won't/can't leave for the NBA or another school or live with this yearly. I have no idea how much ISU can afford.
I think that would be a plus for recruiting. Hornacek is an actual successful NBA coach.
'12 - '13 (Horny was not PHX coach this year) - 25 wins
'13 - '14 (Enter Horny and Eric Bledsoe) - 48 wins just missing the playoffs (in the Eastern conference this probably would have been a 3rd or 4th seed, but anyone who knows the NBA knows that the West is absolutely loaded)
'14 - '15 - Only get 39 wins but that was probably because of a trade that got rid of their best player, Goran Dragic. The Front Office at PHX sucks and I can't blame the dude for leaving. Horny can flat out coach and I wouldn't be surprised if he's just as good as Hoiberg.
Some PHX fans have expressed some concerns and they're worth listening to.
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/vie...d=404150d48f4fae9d9861c65605257566#start_here
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You, my friend, are the one who is delusional. Hoiberg's salary is not about comparing what he's worth to the market. His salary should be about what he's worth to us. Name another coach right now with the talent, the story and the ability to do what he has done at Iowa State, and do it for his current salary of $2 million. See you back here in about never.
I hope you guys aren't managers, because you would not be great ones. You pay for talent and potential of talent when you have a chance. You don't play hard ball with the employee who brings in 50% of your business and if you lose him just over confidently think you'll still have the same company. You pay those people what is deserving for your company and go back to focusing on the people who aren't performing.
He should be paid "what he is worth to us"? What does that even mean? This is delusional fanboy talk if I have ever seen it. Fred gunna get paid if he stays or goes, I wouldn't worry about his compensation.
Money has to be some of the issue. Five is greater than two. Sorry if this busts your bubble.
This thread and the people here are astonishingly ignorant. If you're argument is "what has Fred really done for us? Let him go, because he isn't worth $4-5 million", then you are either too young to understand what the good ol days of McD and Morgan were like or you have a warped perspective on Iowa State's athletic program. We don't command top tier yet.
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Pollard will or should be giving a new contract of $4-5 million and extend the NBA buyout. My guess is it's a good deal and that Hoiberg will have a tough time walking away from it and ISU.
Summary:
Pollard will or should be giving a new contract of $4-5 million and extend the NBA buyout. My guess is it's a good deal and that Hoiberg will have a tough time walking away from it and ISU.
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This whole thread is about what Jamie should do, thus we talk about what Jamie should do.....
Fred Hoiberg Ain't Gonna Get Paid $4-5M
I think CFH has done an outstanding job, but I don't see us increasing his pay by $2M+ a year. How is Jamie going to pay those dollars. It's nice to think TV money is endless, but that isn't the case. To fund that season ticket sales would need to go up by $200 per ticket.
I also think ISU fans and Iowans would be highly critical of our basketball coach making that much money.
However, most important, I don't this is about the money for CFH. I think he came to ISU because that was the best way for him to get coaching experience and prepare him for an NBA HC job. I don't feel he wants to be a coaching lifer. He's been at ISU 5 years. Maybe he coaches in the NBA 5 years, then he takes a job in an NBA front office or retires.
I think CFH has done an outstanding job, but I don't see us increasing his pay by $2M+ a year. How is Jamie going to pay those dollars. It's nice to think TV money is endless, but that isn't the case. To fund that season ticket sales would need to go up by $200 per ticket.
I also think ISU fans and Iowans would be highly critical of our basketball coach making that much money.
However, most important, I don't this is about the money for CFH. I think he came to ISU because that was the best way for him to get coaching experience and prepare him for an NBA HC job. I don't feel he wants to be a coaching lifer. He's been at ISU 5 years. Maybe he coaches in the NBA 5 years, then he takes a job in an NBA front office or retires.
Re: Fred Hoiberg Ain't Gonna Get Paid $4-5M
For starters, we could cut his pay in half.
For starters, we could cut his pay in half.
Makes perfect sense. Other college teams wouldn't pay him 4 million but we would because hes worth it to us
Yes the should because he would be coaching more than twice as many regular season games plus up to up to 5 series of 7 games in post season. Even making it to the post season doesn't guarantee an NBA coach will be retained. A few years ago George Karl was the NBA coach of the year when with the Denver Nuggets then shortly after was fired.
But he doesn't have to recruit during the off season. That's a wash as far as I'm concerned.
That kind of mentality dooms us to mediocrity. Seriously, why can't we pay him that? He's sold out the Hilton since he came here? Does that not speak volumes enough? Boosters, I'm sure would be more than happy to do this if we knew he was here for the long haul. To say we simply can't pay him to keep him means you just would rather let him go.
I'm sure money has something to do with it, even a small amount, because money and value you bring drives everyone.....even the people here on this board. Shocking, I know.
It may not all be about money. But I am sure money comes into it. Fred may prefer a 5 million a year Bulls job over a 2.2 million a year ISU job. But he may prefer a 3.5 million a year ISU job over the 5 million a year Bulls job.
Then again, Fred may prefer his current 10 year 26 million contract over a 5 year 15 million contract that he may have been able to get at another university.
I don't know what the maximum we can pay him is. But I hope we do pay him that.
Then again, Fred may prefer his current 10 year 26 million contract over a 5 year 15 million contract that he may have been able to get at another university.
I don't know what the maximum we can pay him is. But I hope we do pay him that.
Only JP really knows what we can "afford" to pay him and not completely hamstring the entire athletic department.
But whatever that dollar figure is, we should have it on the table at least. If Fred bolts for the NBA, JP had better be able to tell the public that Fred had a new deal on the table that would have paid him "X" dollars (say 3.2 million or something?), but Fred walked anyway.
If it ever came out that JP didn't at least put the money on the table and do everything he could to keep Fred, then JP should also be gone IMO. Fred is even a bigger ISU legacy than Cael Sanderson was. You need to at least be able to show the fanbase that you did everything in your power to keep him a Cyclone IMO.
But whatever that dollar figure is, we should have it on the table at least. If Fred bolts for the NBA, JP had better be able to tell the public that Fred had a new deal on the table that would have paid him "X" dollars (say 3.2 million or something?), but Fred walked anyway.
If it ever came out that JP didn't at least put the money on the table and do everything he could to keep Fred, then JP should also be gone IMO. Fred is even a bigger ISU legacy than Cael Sanderson was. You need to at least be able to show the fanbase that you did everything in your power to keep him a Cyclone IMO.