Why was Wayne Morgan fired?

[Dolokaju]

He was a very, VERY poor bball coach.

You're welcome.

very poor? ISU would've experienced what we are right now had he not been the coach after Larry. Was he the greatest coach? No but he had a lot more big wins than GMAC(who I like and think can get the job done with a little more time).

If I remember correctly, it was lack of discipline on the court and the story that unfairly linked us to the recruiting of Anthony Davis(who Wayne knew since he was 16). Had Doyel done an ounce on research on that angle(a radio interview with him clearly showed how clueless he was about it) then ISU probably doesn't get painted in quite so bad of light. The other thing was that Wayne was not popular among the big boosters.

Bottom line: despite his faults he didn't have a losing season, was 4-2 in the postseason and put an entertaining product on the court.

 

[LZclone]

At least he did not embarrass our entire ISU family by dropping 157 f-bombs on national TV...i.e. LE vs. MSU

It was really embarrassing winning back to back Big XII titles and making the elite eight

(only to get jobed out of the Final Four by the infamous block/charge double foul/ not to mention we should have been a #1 seed not the lowest #2 seed.... ie #8 overall)

I sure hope this never happens again.

 

[usedcarguy]

If it was production issues, then his replacement should be summarily dismissed. I do not recall any off the court problems. Moreover, recruiting was going very well. This is some of worst ISU basketball I've seen in many years.

You realize that you're talking about a guy who had great difficulty even showing up for practice on time, don't you? Not exactly brimming with leadership qualities.

 

[kingcy]

It also had something to do with him allowing players to ride home from an away game (just one that is known about) with friends, without a staff member supervision. There are other things that were going on that we will never know about, because Mac was hired to clean up a mess off the court and on the court. I have heard that from more than one person.

 

[Cyphor]

He won a tourny game, went to the NIT finals, won games in Austin and Lawerence. If he is a "very poor coach" then what the hell kind of coach do we have now?

 

[Dolokaju]

because he was a horrible coach. here's a question, even though he recruited great players why did we suck his last year here? we were clearly talented enough to get into the NIT at least, but no we couldn't even do that. watching games that year was the most frustrating thing in the world.

Because we had no inside game. Taggert was a freshman(who had injury and illness issues), Jiri didn't know how to play defense yet. Marsden couldn't score.

The one thing about Wayne's system was if you had a Homan like guy in the post, you could him with 4 fast guys and run your opponents off the court.

Like I just said, he wasn't the greatest coach but he's getting a bad rap...

And in the interest of fairness, there probably was another reason which is the same one as why he isn't coaching. Then again he got 1.5 million from ISU so he doesn't have to coach again...

 

[kingcy]

You realize that you're talking about a guy who had great difficulty even showing up for practice on time, don't you? Not exactly brimming with leadership qualities.

He would do an KXNO interview once and week at 8:30 and he would just be getting out of bed. I think he had to be woke up to do it.

 

[Clones85']

Greg McDermott has nothing to do with Wayne Morgan and vice versa. It is silly to compare the two.

Wayne Morgan should have been fired. He was a poor coach, actually a horrible coach, that was lazy, lacked discipline, and was taking our team in the wrong direction. Whether GMAC succeeds or not should not change the way people think or thought of Morgan as a coach

Greg McDermott should be on the hot seat. He was in a worse position than Morgan was in during their first year. His teams have had worse performances than Morgans and have much much less talent. Biggest difference is discipline. Greg will get one more year to show what he can do.

It is just silly to compare Morgan to Greg. Just b/c one sucks, doesn't mean the other didn't suck too.

 

[Aclone]

He won a tourny game, went to the NIT finals, won games in Austin and Lawerence. If he is a "very poor coach" then what the hell kind of coach do we have now?

The kind who's cleaning up his (and Larry's) mess.

 

[Clones85']

Not that it matters, but if you think that Morgan was a better X's and O's coach than GMAC than you are out of your mind. But he was a better recruiter. He got better talent to Iowa State.

Wayne Morgan was the worst coach we have had in basketball when it comes to knowledge of the game. Doesn't mean that McDermott is a good coach either though

 

[Aclone]

Greg will get one more year to show what he can do.

Interesting how people keep saying this. Greg will get two (not that I think he'll need it), at the least working out his contract. Firstly, because we cannot afford another buyout, second, because we can't afford the loss of stability, which the program is just beginning to regain.

 

[Drive4cy]

Not that it matters, but if you think that Morgan was a better X's and O's coach than GMAC than you are out of your mind. But he was a better recruiter. He got better talent to Iowa State.

Wayne Morgan was the worst coach we have had in basketball when it comes to knowledge of the game. Doesn't mean that McDermott is a good coach either though

I don't think anybody thinks this but does it really matter? Wayne Morgan has proven he can have success at the major college level. McDermott has looked WAY over his head in the Big 12. I'm sorry but for a guy in year 3 at a program, we're way worse than we should be. It's almost laughable how terrible we currently are as a program.

Xs and Os are only a part of coaching at the major level. There's a helluva lot more that goes into than that. I rarely watch us play and think to myself "man, we are so well coached." If someone else thinks that from watching us, "than your out of your mind."

 

[Clones85']

I don't think anybody thinks this but does it really matter? Wayne Morgan has proven he can have success at the major college level. McDermott has looked WAY over his head in the Big 12. I'm sorry but for a guy in year 3 at a program, we're way worse than we should be. It's almost laughable how terrible we currently are as a program.

Xs and Os are only a part of coaching at the major level. There's a helluva lot more that goes into than that. I rarely watch us play and think to myself "man, we are so well coached." If someone else thinks that from watching us, "than your out of your mind."

Wayne Morgan has not proven ****. He was fired from Long Beach St for crying out loud. Worst hire in ISU history. He had superior talent and did squat with it. His last year at ISU was the biggest waste of talent I have ever seen.

He has not proven anything. If he had he would be coaching somewhere today

 

[kingcy]

IWyne Morgan has proven he can have success at the major college level. McDermott has looked WAY over his head in the Big 12. I'm sorry but for a guy in year 3 at a program, we're way worse than we should be. It's almost laughable how terrible we currently are as a program.

Ask fans of Long Beach St what they think of Wayne Morgan.

 

[Clones85']

Interesting how people keep saying this. Greg will get two (not that I think he'll need it), at the least working out his contract. Firstly, because we cannot afford another buyout, second, because we can't afford the loss of stability, which the program is just beginning to regain.

You would be incorrect. If we have another year next year like we do this year, Greg is gone. We have some big boosters in the waiting that are waiting for a good coach before they donate large money. We would do a one year buyout easy.

 

[usedcarguy]

I don't think anybody thinks this but does it really matter? Wayne Morgan has proven he can have success at the major college level. McDermott has looked WAY over his head in the Big 12. I'm sorry but for a guy in year 3 at a program, we're way worse than we should be. It's almost laughable how terrible we currently are as a program.

Xs and Os are only a part of coaching at the major level. There's a helluva lot more that goes into than that. I rarely watch us play and think to myself "man, we are so well coached." If someone else thinks that from watching us, "than your out of your mind."

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He inherited a diciplined team. Game by game, you could see him coach it away until it was gone.

 

[Aclone]

McDermott has looked WAY over his head in the Big 12. I'm sorry but for a guy in year 3 at a program, we're way worse than we should be. It's almost laughable how terrible we currently are as a program.

Have you ever stopped to think that had Wesley Johnson not rather idiotically decided to transfer, you might not think that McDermott looked "lost" (I don't know where you're getting that from, anyway), we would be much less "worse", and the "program" wouldn't appear so "terrible"?

Frankly, the "program" taken as a whole, considering the team's growth through the season, redshirts, current signees and commits, I hardly think that it looks "terrible", and quite frankly has a healthy future.

 

[cyco2000]

Interesting how people keep saying this. Greg will get two (not that I think he'll need it), at the least working out his contract. Firstly, because we cannot afford another buyout, second, because we can't afford the loss of stability, which the program is just beginning to regain.

By Pollard, yes. But I'm not sure the same can be said for the ticket buying public.

Having some of your better players leave year after year isn't necessarily stability.

EDIT: But, WJ did leave. Stinson, Taylor, Blalock, Carr, Degand, all left. It's not what if.

In past McD stops, he's been successful in his third year. I think you could argue this is really his second year (IMO, first year stuff is AD BS), so hopefully he stays true to form and breaks out next year.

Ask fans of Long Beach St what they think of Wayne Morgan.

Why? Should I ask Hawk fans, too? Or maybe Syracuse fans? Why can't we just ask ISU fans?

 

[Drive4cy]

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He inherited a diciplined team. Game by game, you could see him coach it away until it was gone.

Wow, you people act as if I said he's proven to be a GOD at this level. He's proven he can have some success in the Big 12, with a team comprised of his players. If someone isn't willing to admit Wayne had some success here, than I'm sorry but you're simply a hater. Wayne had several faults and isn't a good coach by any means but let's not get crazy.

 

[usedcarguy]

Because we had no inside game. Taggert was a freshman(who had injury and illness issues), Jiri didn't know how to play defense yet. Marsden couldn't score.

The one thing about Wayne's system was if you had a Homan like guy in the post, you could him with 4 fast guys and run your opponents off the court.

Like I just said, he wasn't the greatest coach but he's getting a bad rap...

And in the interest of fairness, there probably was another reason which is the same one as why he isn't coaching. Then again he got 1.5 million from ISU so he doesn't have to coach again...

He was actively pursuing jobs for quite a while.