Where Will ISU End Up if the Big 12 Implodes?

[Pope]

Ok Texas and OU. Sure, go next year. We'll have their tv revenue for 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. The 8 of us will still have all the Fox and ESPN revenue to split.

It's sounding like OU and UT plan on giving notice to the Big 12 next week of their intention to leave the conference after 2025, so they'll get to keep their TV revenue until then.

It will be fascinating to see how the rest of the conference treats them over the next 4 years. It will also be fascinating to see the ripple effects spread all across the country.

I'm thinking collegiate athletics in general is about to undergo massive and profound changes.

 

[HFCS]

Take a breath and read a various posts on how the reason you're having a hissy fit (markets and eyeballs and footprint OH MY!) has no value like it did just a few years ago. Cable subscriptions are down 20M alone in recent years and will only get worse. ISU is also an AAU school. Nebraska is the only non-AAU school in the league and many are thinking that was the worst decision ever, so it won't happen again. Which leaves schools like ISU and KU, both AAU schools.

Cable dying is a huge plus for us vs last time this came around.

ISU would easily be in the top 30-40 programs in terms of fans who will actually subscribe to watch college sports.

It's part of why the Pac's outlook has dwindled.

It also makes the Big Ten's once passionate love affair with the northeast and Atlantic coast more a thing of the past.

No way they add Rutgers in hindsight. Rutgers didn't even "get" you NYC in the old media world, it doesn't get you NYC at all now.

 

[StLouisClone]

Ok Texas and OU. Sure, go next year. We'll have their tv revenue for 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. The 8 of us will still have all the Fox and ESPN revenue to split.

Makes me wonder why Texas and OU didn’t wait a couple more years to jump.

 

[Tornado man]

I didn't post it because I like it. I posted it because I think if the league gets raided and ISU is not in the Big Ten that's what we'd be looking at.

Gigantic Pac/Big 12 merger that includes Texas/OU could save us.

As much as I'd love it living in LA, Iowa State and KSU are never going to be in UCLA's conference unless Texas is part of the deal.

I agree. Without one of the two big boys, the Pac-12 is not adding Big 12 schools just to rescue them...

 

[jdoggivjc]

Regardless, ISU is in a much better position trying to face this than they were a decade ago. A decade ago we were on the outside looking in. Today it at least looks like the Pac 12 would want us and maybe the Big 10 would even take a look at us.

 

[HouClone]

It was very considerate for Texas and OU to wait until the Big 12 Media Days was over to leak this story. That's a team member move right there.

 

[Gunnerclone]

If you'd read my post, you'd see TV markets was only a portion of the reasoning. Yes, ISU is a large school with good academics and a good geographic fit. But I don't think there's any denying the fact that we are historically a bad team in both football and basketball (more so in football historically). Other schools have more name recognition, Heisman winners, etc. I'd love to see us in the Big Ten, but I think the odds of that happening are approaching 0%.

We are rising though. Quite quickly actually. If it were my business I’d be looking forward instead of backwards.

 

[DSM4Cy]

Regardless, ISU is in a much better position trying to face this than they were a decade ago. A decade ago we were on the outside looking in. Today it at least looks like the Pac 12 would want us and maybe the Big 10 would even take a look at us.

Because of his seniority, JP is also right there among the remaining ADs in trying to make the decisions this time and I have to imagine backup plans have been discussed. Still might not mean a better outcome than was coming but we are in a much better spot than 11 years ago.

 

[bradcyclone]

Can't wait until this is all over, and it was Texas and Oklahoma not leaving the Big 12 and maybe bringing in other teams.

 

[HFCS]

I agree. Without one of the two big boys, the Pac-12 is not adding Big 12 schools just to rescue them...

Competitively it could be great if we got tacked onto a division with some mix of Utah/AZ/CO/Texas/OK/KS schools. Competition seems to be a bit of an after thought though.

It's too bad the state of Texas doesn't have other "normal" well regarded universities that are just smaller versions of UT. Pairing with a school or two like that would be more realistic for ISU/KSU/OKState to be added without Texas/OU.

I don't blame the Pac for turning their nose up at SMU/Tech/TCU/Baylor in terms of cultural/academic fit. It's understandable.

 

[tm3308]

I just hope it's not the Big Ten. It's the best fit for ISU, and it'd add some serious juice to the rivalry. But I really like being able to root for ISU whenever they're not playing Iowa, and I can't do that anymore if they're in the same conference.

 

[HouClone]

Local Houston reporter said his sources said the NIL was the biggest reason for this move. He said the SEC is killing it in using the NIL for recruiting and Texas doesn't want to be on the outside. He said Texas was first to contact the SEC and Texas brought in OU after.

 

[HFCS]

Because of his seniority, JP is also right there among the remaining ADs in trying to make the decisions this time and I have to imagine backup plans have been discussed. Still might not mean a better outcome than was coming but we are in a much better spot than 11 years ago.

I think about how much better position we are in now...
- JP who will scratch and claw like no other AD
- Legit football success maybe for first time ever
- It's no longer 99% about getting new cable TV markets
- Amazing JTS compared to last realignment

And yet even with all that it still feels like just hanging in the wind.

 

[WISCY1895]

I agree. Without one of the two big boys, the Pac-12 is not adding Big 12 schools just to rescue them...

It’s not rescuing them it’s going to a 16 team league. If they don’t add Big 12 schools who the hell else will they add to get to 16? If we are headed to ACC, BIG, SEC, and PAC power conferences with 16 teams we have a spot. There’s no way we get left out.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Local Houston reporter said his sources said the NIL was the biggest reason for this move. He said the SEC is killing it in using the NIL for recruiting and Texas doesn't want to be on the outside. He said Texas was first to contact the SEC and Texas brought in OU after.

Queue up the CF “Why NIL Is Great” articles lol.

Hope those t-shirts are paying off huge.

 

[ForeverIowan]

If the SEC, Big Ten, ACC and Pac 12 are all moving to 16 team conferences lets think realistically here about the Big Tens options if Notre Dame is indeed headed for the ACC. I know you Hawk fans are lurking. Your hatred for Iowa State aside what two available schools would you want to go after? If Notre Dame is off the table I'd have to think Kansas and Iowa State are two of the top contenders.

 

[HFCS]

Local Houston reporter said his sources said the NIL was the biggest reason for this move. He said the SEC is killing it in using the NIL for recruiting and Texas doesn't want to be on the outside. He said Texas was first to contact the SEC and Texas brought in OU after.

Are people cutting NIL deals to conferences? Are SEC teams lying that USC and Texas players can't make money because they are in the Pac and Big 12?

I guess I don't get it. I get how certain teams and leagues could be more aggressive promoting turning players into half time players and half time marketing celebrities, but I don't get what is stopping that in the Big 12 or Pac 12 or ACC.

 

[MisterO]

Queue up the CF “Why NIL Is Great” articles lol.

Hope those t-shirts are paying off huge.

Dang- first time I ever agree with you GC. Cheers!

 

[trevn]

Local Houston reporter said his sources said the NIL was the biggest reason for this move. He said the SEC is killing it in using the NIL for recruiting and Texas doesn't want to be on the outside. He said Texas was first to contact the SEC and Texas brought in OU after.

This is honestly where my mind went the first I heard of the news today. I thought it was a kneejerk reaction by Texas and OU to keep up with the SEC on NIL. I think it's shortsighted and dumb, but it is Texas we are talking about. Challenge their ego and they will do stupid things.

 

[MisterO]

I’ve seen posts on here about conferences dropping this school or that school…can we forget about that? No conference is going to dump an active member. Be realistic.