Where Will ISU End Up if the Big 12 Implodes?

[Gonzo]

very true...had a convo with my brother over the phone after work and tv is very much changing with streaming services becoming more of the norm. I'm pretty active on CFB Reddit and there's tons of people who have dropped the traditional cable providers for streaming services

I've been without ABC since Jan. 1. Haven't really minded, don't give a sh*t about missing 'The Bachelor', but I did miss some EURO 2021 and if Mediacom doesn't get it fixed by mid-August I'll be cutting that cord and going with Hulu w/ Live TV. Ain't missing college football.

 

[Rabbuk]

they might not be the packaged deal you think they are...The B1G loves AAU members...KU is and K-State is not...and do you think KU would say "oh no, poor K-State has the possibility of getting relegated to a non P5, while KU goes to the B1G"? Absolutely not...they would not look back

Ku is less likely to go to the big10 than kstate is. Their football program is 4 steps below jv level.

 

[aeroclone]

Ku is less likely to go to the big10 than kstate is. Their football program is 4 steps below jv level.

This is the same Big 10 that's recently added Rutgers and Maryland to go with a fading Nebraska. I don't know that quality football is a primary criteria for them.

 

[Rabbuk]

This is the same Big 10 that's recently added Rutgers and Maryland to go with a fading Nebraska. I don't know that quality football is a primary criteria for them.

Rutgers was an I'll advised attempt to gain an east coast footprint and Nebraska has at least been relevant at some point the last 70 years.

 

[Neptune78]

They’ll keep the Big 12 name for legal reasons and the leftover 8 will add BYU, Cincy, Houston, and Memphis. 8 game schedule with no divisions......

We already have Baylor, please no BYU.

 

[WISCY1895]

Kansas can get a Big 10 invite because they are a blue blood basketball program and they are an AAU school. I think Kansas State would likely be Pac 12 bound with Oklahoma State. I just don’t see a path forward with any form of the Big 12 without Texas and OU. There aren’t two programs to add to get the revenue to make sense. We would be better off in a PAC 16 than a bastardized version of the Big 12

 

[loyalsons4evertrue]

This is the same Big 10 that's recently added Rutgers and Maryland to go with a fading Nebraska. I don't know that quality football is a primary criteria for them.

Maryland and Rutgers were added because of their markets, not because of the athletics prowess they brought to the table...and that's the thing I don't get with some people saying KU is the best option in this scenario for who could go to the B1G........for one sport? Basketball is not the money sport in any scenario and I don't think a KC media market is that enticing to the B1G...how much revenue would KU add?

 

[CloneGuy8]

not having a baseball team will limit ISU's opens.

WVU will either go ACC (if it can), independent like BYU, or maybe stay in watered down big 12 if some regional teams are added to reduce travel(cinn, Memphis, Uconn, and UCF and USF for recruiting).

Baseball has 0 effect on realignment. The 2 biggest things you can have is football and good academics.

 

[CyclonesForever]

Big Ten adds ND to the east and Iowa State to the west. KU, KSU, OSU, TT head to PAC 12. TCU and Baylor screwed. WVU maybe picked up by ACC or something.

Clearly you are not aware of the fact that Notre Dame has a contract until like 2035 where if they join a conference it has to be the ACC.

Also, what on Earth does ISU have to offer the Big Ten? A rivalry with Iowa? Traditional foes against Nebraska? Geographic fit? Iowa State is in a state that only has like 3 million people, no historical prestige in either football or basketball, is viewed nationally as little brother to Iowa who is already in the Big Ten and offers no additional markets. We'd be competitive but I'd guess the Big Ten would go after a school with a little more history and name recognition in a large market. For example, Boston College. They have a Heisman winner, they are in a major city that's not in their market currently, they have good academics. They'd have a better pitch than we would.

 

[HFCS]

JFC even if I was a Big Ten or SEC fan I'd think the idea of just gigantic SEC and Big Ten is lame.

 

[MeanDean]

Best outcome: OU/TX are negotiating for better Fox TV deal and make it clear after it happens. Stability is regained.

Second best if they DO leave: KU and ISU team up to approach B1G as a pair to be added. Regionally/Geographically fit. Both AAU.

Third Best: Some sort of BigXII/PacXII merger is realized including ISU

Anything below that probably spells the end for ISU as a potentially significant collegiate FB entity. At which time I quit following college sports like I did with the pros 20 years ago.

 

[heitclone]

If the SEC goes to 16, everyone else will too, the big 12 teams will likely get divvied up to get the pac,b1g and ACC to 16 with the leftovers joining some kind of American/Mountain West hybrid 16 team league. That means 6 big 12 teams would still be in a p6 league, tough to see ISU not one of those 6 teams.

 

[HFCS]

We already have Baylor, please no BYU.

I don't mind religious schools as a non-religious person, unless we just assume all religious schools are super rapey like Baylor with Jeff Epstein acolytes for presidents.

 

[Trice]

Welp, sounds like we're going to get the answer to this sooner rather than later.

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[CyclonesForever]

• Pac-12 adds Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, K-State and ISU to get to 16 teams.
• Big Ten adds Kansas and steals a school like Boston College from the ACC.
• SEC adds Texas and Oklahoma.
• ACC replaces Boston College with West Virginia. They could try to force Notre Dame's hand into joining for football. If they can't, maybe try to get the likes of like a Cincinnati or maybe a TCU/Baylor to get to 16.

 

[deadeyededric]

Nebraska?

They were when the move was made. It was an issue when they lost their status.

 

[HFCS]

American is getting too few votes (wish it wasn't the case).

It'd be AAC plus a 2-4 Big 12 teams.

East Carolina
Tulsa
SMU
Navy
Tulane
Cinci
USF
Houston
Memphis (9 football members)
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2-4 Big 12 teams left out of the SEC/Big Ten raid unless the ACC or Pac 12 take them.

OK State, ISU, KSU, Baylor, Tech and WVU could all be American Athletic bound depending on how things go. Not all but some definitely.

The ACC could have already expanded with Cincy and WVU if they wanted to years ago.

I have no issue with teams like Cincy and USF going from Big East to American, they were only in a major conference a handful of years. American Athletic is a conference that fits their football history.

If conferences want to get huge it's weird to have Big 8/Big 12 teams that have been playing major conference football 100+ years get downgraded. The fans in those states have made college football the #1 sport.

Of course Iowa State has only recently reached its potential and historically didn't "earn" the status of being in a premier football conference, but to look at what KSU achieved over the past 30 years and realize they are in the identical situation...it's really bull$***.

 

[deadeyededric]

Kansas can get a Big 10 invite because they are a blue blood basketball program and they are an AAU school. I think Kansas State would likely be Pac 12 bound with Oklahoma State. I just don’t see a path forward with any form of the Big 12 without Texas and OU. There aren’t two programs to add to get the revenue to make sense. We would be better off in a PAC 16 than a bastardized version of the Big 12

Agreed. The Big 12 has zero credibility without OU and Texas.

 

[Cyched]

They were when the move was made. It was an issue when they lost their status.

IIRC, the Big Ten wasn’t happy over it, right? But the papers were signed, so it blew over.

Somehow CF has construed that into “B1G doesn’t care about AAU.”

 

[dahliaclone]

Clearly you are not aware of the fact that Notre Dame has a contract until like 2035 where if they join a conference it has to be the ACC.

Also, what on Earth does ISU have to offer the Big Ten? A rivalry with Iowa? Traditional foes against Nebraska? Geographic fit? Iowa State is in a state that only has like 3 million people, no historical prestige in either football or basketball, is viewed nationally as little brother to Iowa who is already in the Big Ten and offers no additional markets. We'd be competitive but I'd guess the Big Ten would go after a school with a little more history and name recognition in a large market. For example, Boston College. They have a Heisman winner, they are in a major city that's not in their market currently, they have good academics. They'd have a better pitch than we would.

Take a breath and read a various posts on how the reason you're having a hissy fit (markets and eyeballs and footprint OH MY!) has no value like it did just a few years ago. Cable subscriptions are down 20M alone in recent years and will only get worse. ISU is also an AAU school. Nebraska is the only non-AAU school in the league and many are thinking that was the worst decision ever, so it won't happen again. Which leaves schools like ISU and KU, both AAU schools.