Well in your golf example you're making up for a mistake or bad shot that you yourself made, not the mistake of someone else. So it's a little different.
We didn't lose because of the missed block/charge call
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Your acting like the call was absolutely egregious. The guys foot was hovering over the line. Who knows what the ref could see from his angle. Also, the ref is trying to watch the contact up top at the same time.
It was a quick, bang-bang play that couldn't be reviewed. Having had the opportunity to review it several times, it was the wrong call. The refs don't have that opportunity.
I'm just making the point that a mistake that late in the game is much different than any officiating or playing mistake made early in the game. We miss a layup early in the game, it hurts, but at the end you can't say we lost because of that missed layup. A call like that, a 3-4 point swing late in the game, is hard to overcome. Especially against a great team.
Exactly. It was an extremely close call. Obviously watching it in slow motion 50 times it's easy to say the refs are the reason we lost the game and that an inch of his foot was on the line and he arrived .5 seconds after Clyburn left the ground. It wasn't a blatantly obvious call by any means.
Yes, because that is what officials should do when there is obvious contact. It was definitely a foul (two players clearly collided), it was a judgment call as to which way it should go.
Bad call, not so much as whether the guy had 1 mm of foot inside the arc. Bad call because Will was in the air like 10 ft and Craft slid under him. We didn't lose because of the refs. We could have done enough the whole game to not put ourselves in position to allow a call to go against us. Near the end, there were a number of off the ball calls that went for us. Every board complains about refs losing the game for them and ours is no different.
Great effort by our guys to erase the big lead. Look forward to next year. Thanks seniors for coming to ISU and having a great season. It was fun to watch the team all year.
Great effort by our guys to erase the big lead. Look forward to next year. Thanks seniors for coming to ISU and having a great season. It was fun to watch the team all year.
I don't how many times this needs to be said but THE LINE DOES NOT MATTER. It wasn't a charge if it was at the three point line. It wan't a charge based on positioning if it was at the freethrow line. This doesn't even take into account that Clyburn was fouled before he even encountered Craft. It was a bad call, plain and simple. Yes, the line part was close and a hard call to make. The foul on the other defender and the fact that Craft slid under him negate all of that.
Yep, exactly right. The foot/line thing doesn't matter because Craft didn't have position to begin with. Everyone, including the CBS studio clowns and NCAA head of officiating, are fixated on the foot/line but somehow they fail to notice that Craft slid in.
And I'm not even sure it was Clyburn that knocked Craft over. Might have been the other OSU guy defending Clyburn.
Even if you take the line out of the equation, it was a close call...like every block/charge call (save the one form the Kansas game, which wasn't close). He slid under Clyburn but he got set. Think of how many variables a ref has to consider at one time. Where is the defender's feet? When did he get there in relation to when the offensive player jumped? Did he slide into the contact? Were his hands straight up?
To suggest it was an easy call is just ignorant. Keep in mind, everything you are saying right now is with the benefit of replay. You have the play assessed absolutely correctly, after having the opportunity to review it in slow motion several times.
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Stop. There was no foul on either of those plays. Deshaun Thomas came away limping because he banged knees with a player. And saying the ball was clearly out of bounds off Thomas is nothing but blatant homerism. It might have been, but it's nearly impossible to tell.
And the fact that Craft slid under him doesn't matter either. That's how the block/charge call is made these days. Right or wrong (and it is very WRONG imo) the defender is able to get away with sliding under the offensive player. It's stupid and potentially dangerous, but that's the way it has been over the last couple years.
I am really sick of all these, this call didn't loose the game post. Yes, it did, just like the bad calls against KU and Okie lite did this year. Get over apologizing for ISU getting screwed in games. Sure their were a thousand other things that ISU could have done or OSU could not have done in the game that also could have changed the game, but they didn't happen, did they? It was a close game. I am sure that OSU would like to have some of their shots and turnovers back too. To make a call like that, one that was really not even close, with a minute left in a game is just ridiculous. They could have called the foul on Craft or the other guy hacking on Clyburn. There was still time for OSU to come back, but a potential 3 point play taken away like that is an absolute killer.
That's not how the call is supposed to be made. That's my first problem with officiating. the charge seems to be the glory call and refs call it way too much. That needs to be stopped. Yes, there are charges. Not this many though. The other thing that kills me is the amount of offensive fouls on the perimeter that are NOT called. Then there's the hand checking. The sad part was that until the last couple minutes the game was officiated pretty well, I thought. The only other call that comes to mind as questionable is the one where Bubu poked the ball away from craft going dow the court or the one where KL came up with the steal. I don't have a problem with the calls themselves but i have a problem with the fact that if you build a reputation like Craft has built, you get away with things other don't.
To all macho 'refs never decide a game' fans...shut up.
You're not some genius for pointing out that other things in the game could have changed the outcome as well. I know you think you're freaking brilliant for pointing this out, but everyone with any intelligence whatsoever already knows this as reeeeeeeeeeally simple reality.
It's this simple, as the game had happened in reality up to the point of the blown call, there's an incredibly good chance that erasing 2-3 points from ISU's score affected the outcome of the game.
Please stop acting like some sort of genius for pointing out the incredibly obvious fact that there is more than one play in a game. It makes you look stupid, not macho, classy, mature or objective like you think it does.
You're not some genius for pointing out that other things in the game could have changed the outcome as well. I know you think you're freaking brilliant for pointing this out, but everyone with any intelligence whatsoever already knows this as reeeeeeeeeeally simple reality.
It's this simple, as the game had happened in reality up to the point of the blown call, there's an incredibly good chance that erasing 2-3 points from ISU's score affected the outcome of the game.
Please stop acting like some sort of genius for pointing out the incredibly obvious fact that there is more than one play in a game. It makes you look stupid, not macho, classy, mature or objective like you think it does.
That's his job though.
And to be fair I knew it was ******** as soon as it happened, long before the replay.
No? Don't you lose by having one less point? This call cost us at least 2, possibly 3... which would've given us a 3 or 4 point lead. Appears to me it cost us the game ...
Your posts make it seem like you just started watching college basketball. There's logic there, but it seems like someone who hasn't witnessed how things work.
I'm sure in your mind some day we will have this exact same call benefit us while playing Duke to go tot he Final Four. It will only be happening in your mind. It's not the call, it's how frequently things like this work for the marquee programs and how rarely if ever they go against those programs. You're right about the difficulty of making the call, but you're wrong at the same time if you think it's a coincidence that OSU got a break.