Yeah, obviously I'm just guessing on the numbers. I figured the word probably would get that point across.
We didn't lose because of the missed block/charge call
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Yeah, obviously I'm just guessing on the numbers. I figured the word probably would get that point across.
I don't disagree. But the game was tied with a min left, and ISU had an empty possession, and that has been a pretty nasty pattern this season. Its the NCAA Tournament...if you want to advance, you need to score points in those situations. Not turn the ball over.
WE TURNED THE BALL OVER WITH A TIE GAME AND 58 SECONDS LEFT. HOW MUCH MORE CLEAR CAN THAT BE?
More than likely up 4. Clyburn is a good FT shooter. So, if it's a 3 point swing, what did we lose by again? Oh yeah, 3.
And if we would have made all the layups we missed we would have won by 10! And if Melvin had made all those 1 and 1s we would have won by 14! And if Babb wouldn't have been hurt we would have won by 20!
ISU gets a shot to fall with under a minute left (instead of turning it over) OSU is going for the tie, not the three to win it. If ISU pulls that rebound down, ISU is going for the win, not OSU.
The call was bad, yes, but ISU could of, and should of, overcome it.
Which, with a lead that at that point is no worse than one point and possibly as many as four, isn't all that harmful.
Nobody denies we should have made another play or two. But nobody, save for a couple of you, can deny that those couple of plays we should have made should have even been necessary in the first place.
When a ref is directly responsible for a three point swing with under 2:00 to play, it matters.
And this guy writes about exactly what I was thinking all along about the play...the arc wasn't the issue, Craft not being set was clear as day. Officials just go with their gut but they don't always know to the "letter of the law" of how it is supposed to be called.
NCAA Tournament 2013: Head of officials disagrees with Ohio State/Iowa State charge call - SBNation.com
NCAA Tournament 2013: Head of officials disagrees with Ohio State/Iowa State charge call - SBNation.com
Teams that typically advance in the tourney overcome those calls, plain and simple. No doubt in my mind KU would of won that game given the same exact scenario.
Dumb argument. Ohio State is advancing in significant measure because it was the beneficiary of that call. Personally, I prefer it when people who are paid to do a job do so competently.
This. I was very surprised as well w/ some of the calls we were getting. That being said, about the charge/block call, if that is such a tough call for a ref to make in real-time and it is costing a team a game (potentially), then it should be reviewable. I know, I know...don't want to mess w/ the flow of the game, but c'mon, they could put a 30 second rule on the review or something.
You coach then, just shut up. I am sick and tired of "If Fred did this , If Fred did that" Just shut up.
Pass was just a little off, otherwise Georges has another wide open layup. Ejim's nerves seem to get to him at the end of games sometime, not like you can take him out of the game at that point though, he's far to valuable. Just let it go, it was a good season with some tough breaks. Proud of our guys and excited for the future!
I'd like to be able to say we'll get the calls next time. The last time I remember us getting a big call was Calvin Kato taking a charge from one of the KU cards down the stretch when ISU won the last big 8 tournament.
The botched block call was not as impactful as the KU blarge. I didn't like that call but most of the game was officiated within the realms of reason.
You mentioned two other plays after that that ISU could have made. In both cases there could have been a call in our favor. (assuming this is the throw away in question) When GN curled at the free throw prior to the throw away contact with one of the OSU bigs was hard enough that the OSU player came away limping. We scored on that play two previous times so it is reasonable to assume OSU made hard contact (foul) to prevent it. You can call it a throw away, I'll call it a no call in OSU favor during the last two minutes.
The second comment was not wrapping up the last rebound. Credit OSU that one of thier plays wedged between two ISU players to get a paw on the ball. That was good effort. He was also the player that hit the ball out. It even got replayed once with clear contact from OSU and the announcers chocked on saying anything, not that what they say could change the call. If the officials make the right call ISU has the ball and a chance at the last shot instead of OSU.
If any of those three calls are made in ISU's favor we had better than a 50/50 chance of winning.
The boys are playing good, Fred is coaching good. ISU deserves to get a fair shake in the last two minutes. I'll stop blaming the officials when the calls even out. Bad calls both ways I am OK with. Always one way NO!
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Sorry, this doesn't fly with me. I haven't read this thread, just the first post. Here is what I think. I am a golf pro. No matter what happens during a tournament round, if I have a 3 footer that I miss on the last hole to win, I would never say,"well, that didn't count anymore than the bad chip I hit on #6". The fact would be that I overcame whatever happened, had a chance to win,. and didn't
We had this game, and a bad call in the last minute was pivotal. Could we have still won? Sure. Had we gone up 4, OSU might have come down and hit a three while we fouled them, then we turn it over and they win. Anything still could have happened. But that call took our chances of winning the game from about 90% to 50%
Chuckie, go back and watch. I want to know how much you think GN was impeded on that throw away? From the way the OSU player limped off afterward I'd say thier was a lot of contact to keep him from making that cut. OSU fowling GN to slow him down as the pass is being made is not an issue with ISU's mental toughness. It is an issue with the officiating.
As much as I agree with this, I have a question, how much time is required to overcome the call? In your example it is the last hole so it is clear, but in this game the call was made with 1:45 (+/-) and to me it is a little different, did it impact our momentum, sure, did we lose 2 maybe 3 pts, yes, did it get in the players head, maybe, but our 13 pt run started after something negative.
Anywy I digress.
***My opinion only