That's a fair statement, but going 3-5 or 3-6 in the Big 12 isn't the same as going 3-5 or 4-4 in the MAC.
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That's a fair statement, but going 3-5 or 3-6 in the Big 12 isn't the same as going 3-5 or 4-4 in the MAC.
Anyone that thinks the ISU/Iowa game won't continue on an annual basis has lost their marbles. It is not going away.
Yes. Seems like we keep pulling thing out our a** to keep this alive. Mizzoulander was instrumental. I didn't read anything he typed.... But he contributed to the cause.
I have no problem with a 9 game conference as long as everyone else does it.
Its hard enough recruiting against the SEC and the Big10 alone, but to have teams in those leagues like Iowa / Auburn that are going to use that extra cupcake to get to 6 or 7 wins and to get 4 weeks extra practice and another bowl game under there belts??? We would be 6-4 right now if we had La Monroe......
I think that is what sucks right now. We are going to go 3-0 non conference and "most likely" stay home this year. (unless we can manage to beat one of the 3 top 10 teams here shortly with 2 on the road...lol
And it doesn't get easier... Next year we get Iowa on the road, Tulsa at home and 1 cupcake total.
Its hard enough recruiting against the SEC and the Big10 alone, but to have teams in those leagues like Iowa / Auburn that are going to use that extra cupcake to get to 6 or 7 wins and to get 4 weeks extra practice and another bowl game under there belts??? We would be 6-4 right now if we had La Monroe......
I think that is what sucks right now. We are going to go 3-0 non conference and "most likely" stay home this year. (unless we can manage to beat one of the 3 top 10 teams here shortly with 2 on the road...lol
And it doesn't get easier... Next year we get Iowa on the road, Tulsa at home and 1 cupcake total.
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Maybe he thinks OU is in the PAC by now and has changed boards accordingly?
(oh monster thread, I just can't quit you.) :smile:
I agree with isono1fan - ISU admins would be NUTS to switch to a on-off format with Iowa. You want to give up a sold-out game (with higher ticket prices) that's virtually guaranteed to be on TV for a game against some directional school? In a "typical" year, what game gives ISU more publicity than the Iowa game?...especially when they pull out a win.
Even more challenging than the 9 game schedule is the task of playing everybody in the conference, every year. I know Neinas loves the idea (along with leather helmets and the flying wedge) but I think it makes it even more difficult for one of the lower conference teams to break through and make a title run.
Look at it this way...independent of everything else, which schedule would YOU want to play to get to a major bowl game?
1) SEC East (Vandy, SC, UK, UGA, FL, Tenn,) Texas A&M, one other SEC West team, and 4 non-conf. games
2) All nine Big 12 teams, and 3 non-conf. games
Right now, at this moment, I think option #1 might be an easier road to 8 to 10 wins.
I don't think it is likely to go away either but i am now at the point where i wish it would. Our attendance has shown that we don't need it to draw fans.
The SEC will go to 9 conference games. They want to create an increased inventory for an eventual SEC Network.
Terrible point... Ames and Iowa City businesses and the universities make SO MUCH MONEY that day... it's the biggest sporting event in Iowa every year... By a ways... The whole damn state shuts down.... nothing else does that every year...
They might go to nine games at SOME point, but not in the near future. If you have 14 teams, you don't need to go to nine games just to generate additional TV inventory. I'd assume that most of the existing non-conference games would still be available under the Tier 3 package.
There's going to be some resistance to playing to losing an OOC game, especially since the SEC still has a conference championship game as well. Florida, SC, and UGA all play their rivals out of conference.
"Athletic directors would prefer to keep an eight-game schedule, according to a person familiar with early discussions among those in charge.
The person said they like the current setup, the one that has led to five consecutive national championships. They want their extra home games, their non-division rivals and their non-conference rivals. And even though nine conference games could create more television revenue, the powerful league figures its pedigree is enough to command top dollar in any future negotiations."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...cate-matters/2011/11/09/gIQAE5C75M_story.htmlThe person said they like the current setup, the one that has led to five consecutive national championships. They want their extra home games, their non-division rivals and their non-conference rivals. And even though nine conference games could create more television revenue, the powerful league figures its pedigree is enough to command top dollar in any future negotiations."
The only reason in favor of doing it is because some other conferences are (although the Big 10 won't for another 6 years). I don't see it happening.
You can't go by attendance alone. Don't you sell those tickets at higher cost? Attendance isn't really what matters, it's money that you are bringing in.
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Are you trying to say that we bring in more with a sellout at $90 and up than games with $11 tickets?
I agree. There's no way financially that getting rid of the Iowa game is a good idea, and that's our rival. Of course we should play our rival.
This idea that Neinas is the driving force between a 10 team league with a round robin schedule seems to be really gaining some traction. Somebody posted a Barry Trammel column within the last week or so that indicated the same and also seemed to say that OU would prefer expansion to 12 with divisional play and 8 conference games. If that is the case, what schools would be against a move back to 8 games? And if the majority of the schools want 12 and 8, how can Neinas do anything about it? The constant excuses tossed out about Beebe were that he could only do what the conference would allow him to do. But in the case of the interim guy, he can resist the will of the conference all by himself? Something doesn't quite add up.
Neinas is just the one that's verbalizing the ongoing debate between staying at 10 teams for now, or moving rapidly to 12 teams. You can't have a 10 team league without 9 conference games (not enough TV inventory to fulfill contract).
I think most everyone in the conference would PREFER to get back to 12 teams and 8 conference games, but only if they feel the additional two schools add substantial value to the league. Does L-ville? Does BYU? Does Cincy? I think there's some disagreement there.
Not much has changed in the Big 12...the disagreements still get leaked to the media, without a definitive resolution.
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