*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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Amen to the Legends...with the KS Speedway, Sporting KC, and the new casino going in that place is booming...
Don't think you need another arena...what people don't understand about KC is that there really aren't borders...there are plenty of MU fans that live in KS and vice-versa...
If MU leaves I'm sure they will use that as an excuse to move the tourney but to me there's no reason to move it...downtown KC is as much KU and KSU territory as it is MU...granted there are more MU fans on the MO side but downtown is shared by everyone...KS and MO...
No one is ripping on Mizzou over there, just saying it as it is.
As far as the bolded part, this conference will be stable as soon as you leave or commit your rights.
We'll see, Al. You may be right. But Mellinger (a sports columnist for the KC Star, and NO fan of Mizzou or its decision to leave) sees it differently:
"MU wanted at least a 10-year grant-of-broadcast-rights that would’ve effectively guaranteed the league’s existence. Instead, others pushed a six-year agreement that fit conveniently into the sweet spot that only Texas and Oklahoma could afford to break. And even that was never officially agreed upon.
MU football coach Gary Pinkel was the most outspoken voice of reason when Texas and ESPN wanted to put high school games on the Longhorn Network. The conference never officially ruled on that, instead letting Texas pull back in exchange for pushing a shorter grant-of-rights."
MU, Big 12 could have done more to prevent departure - KansasCity.comMU football coach Gary Pinkel was the most outspoken voice of reason when Texas and ESPN wanted to put high school games on the Longhorn Network. The conference never officially ruled on that, instead letting Texas pull back in exchange for pushing a shorter grant-of-rights."
Interesting note: nobody's actually SIGNED that rights deal yet.
We all thought that the Big 12 would be stable once NU and CU left, and the B1G told Mizzou to buzz off. The buyouts were restructured to discourage anyone from leaving, and the new TV deal insured the future of the league.
Except it didn't. The old problems remained. I hope that KU, KSU, and ISU join with the Big East refugees to protect the conference from those who see it as nothing more than a home for non-revenue sports and an easy ticket to the BCS. Maybe they can do a better job than MU did of putting it on more equitable footing.
If MU leaves I bet the BBall tourney goes to OK City for good. No way they play it in the state of MO and I don't see them going that far up north to Des Moines or playing it in somewhere like Wichita.
My understanding is that everyone in the Big 12 minus Mizzou has signed that grant of rights. Not just agreed to it, signed it.
Mellinger is stuck in 2 months ago. That petty attitude is what nearly destroyed the conference. "OH NO! TEXAS CAN MAKE MORE MONEY THAN I CAN!!!!!!!!!!" The conference is over that.
It doesn't matter if Texas was officially barred from showing high school recruits because they voluntarily said they would not do it. There was no need to take action on that front. If they try again, that is when they will be blocked.
On the 10 year vs 6 year front, what is the effective difference? If it was say 1 or 2 vs 10, I could understand why Missouri would have the right to be upset. Six years is a long time in college football. Six years ago, ISU was 1 win away from the Big 12 North title and Texas won the national championship against USC. Adding on a few more years makes no significant difference. I don't buy the argument that Texas or Oklahoma could afford to buy out six years of their media rights. That's a huge number which no school could just cash flow, it will take mobilization from huge donors.
As long as they don't move the tournament to Dallas. It will be sad if the history of having the tourney in KC fall by the wayside, but the year I went to OKC tourney for pep band (2009) I thought it set up equally well for hosting the tournament and fun times after the games were over.
Nope. At least, as far as *I* can tell.
This is from the NY Times on the day of the press conference clusterf*** :
"Another Big 12 official said: “There hasn’t been any piece of paper to memorialize the grant of rights yet. They’re in a position philosophically to approve a grant of rights for a six-year period upon seeking the approval of their various governance boards.â€
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/23/s...-on-tv-money-as-its-commissioner-resigns.html
And this is from ESPN yesterday, referencing the Big East's TV deal:
"The Big Ten and Pac-12 schools have granted their rights to the conferences, while Big 12 leaders, in an effort to bring stability to their league, recently agreed to grant their top-tier TV rights to the conference for at least six years."
Big East schools were working on giving TV rights to conference before losses - ESPN
Both seem to say the same thing: a 6-yr deal was agreed to IN PRINCIPLE, but nothing is signed. If anybody has anything showing that the schools have actually signed the rights deal, throw it out there.
If I'm WVU, I would INSIST on a 10+ year rights deal as a condition of joining the Big 12. Otherwise I'd take my chances in whatever's left of the Big East.
If they don't then they're doing the same thing Mizzou is doing, except they're moving further away to join a conference that MIGHT not be there in a few years.
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The arenas are used much more than for sports. Kansas City books a lot of conferences, and I know for a fact KC lost a lot of big conventions because Memorial wasn't big enough. The Sprint Center gets used plenty.
Another arena over by KCK would be good for all the regional stuff that happens in sports, concerts, conventions, etc. but of course , not on the scale of the Sprint Center.
LOL, someone posted on Tigerboard that someone at Fox 4 in KC is saying they are staying in the Big 12, and well that just exploded with "you gotta be ******* me" or "TROLL" type responses
Probably just a troll, but the flash reactions are hilarious.
Probably just a troll, but the flash reactions are hilarious.
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Did you actually read that article you linked, or did you just pick out the one piece you liked in it? The article mostly trashes Missouri for making a foolish move.
2nd best quote of the day goes to the Kansas Women's BB coach.
Big 12 coaches say realignment will rip apart the conference - ESPN
Yes, we know the conference shuffles are all about football. Every Big 12 women's hoops coach who was present Wednesday said so. That didn't include Iowa State's Bill Fennelly, dean of the league's coaches, who stayed home in Ames as he is receiving treatment for a cancerous lesion on his vocal cords. But he would have said it had he been here: football, football, football.
Actually, Kansas coach Bonnie Henrickson, whose school now faces the potential loss of historic rival Missouri, put it even more bluntly and correctly.
"It's about TV and football and ego," Henrickson said. "And I'm not sure ego is third."
Big 12 coaches say realignment will rip apart the conference - ESPN
Yes, we know the conference shuffles are all about football. Every Big 12 women's hoops coach who was present Wednesday said so. That didn't include Iowa State's Bill Fennelly, dean of the league's coaches, who stayed home in Ames as he is receiving treatment for a cancerous lesion on his vocal cords. But he would have said it had he been here: football, football, football.
Actually, Kansas coach Bonnie Henrickson, whose school now faces the potential loss of historic rival Missouri, put it even more bluntly and correctly.
"It's about TV and football and ego," Henrickson said. "And I'm not sure ego is third."
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Alabama pushing for Missouri to be placed into the SEC Eastern division? Oh yeah, that makes perfect sense, and should really help the recruiting. Morons.
If that is part of the deal for joining the SEC, that they play in the Eastern division, then there is absolutely no way to justify this move by Missouri. I know some will try, but c'mon. I mean you get upset that you are being abused in your current relationship, so you leave that one and enter into a different relationship with more abuse but better stability? Huh?
If that is part of the deal for joining the SEC, that they play in the Eastern division, then there is absolutely no way to justify this move by Missouri. I know some will try, but c'mon. I mean you get upset that you are being abused in your current relationship, so you leave that one and enter into a different relationship with more abuse but better stability? Huh?
Saw this article linked from ESPN. Mizzou football fans better get used to being around those schools at the bottom. Cause that is where they will be.
Read more: Financial fit?
Read more: Financial fit?
CNN is now reporting that Mizzou officials are very upset that Col. Gadhafi has stolen their media attention.
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