*****The Super, Mega, Huge Big 12 Expansion Thread*****
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Why? The Pac 12 wanted them last year, why would it be any different this year?
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IF OU leaving would mean that Big 12 would take existing Big East schools and become first 16 team super conference, then I say don't let the door hit you.
I just want ISU to end up in a BCS conference.
I think the Pac12 wanted them as a package deal with Texas. Now that Texas is supposedly off the table. Maybe Larry Scott wants them, but I think you'll have trouble convincing Stanford's and Cal's presidents that OU's other athletics and academics belong in the PAC. Just my $0.02
Also I don't think CU would want to invite the Oklahoma schools. Larry Scott can only do what his member institutions will allow him to do, and I'm thinking CU and the academic juggernuats of the PAC will deny OU unless they can bring some more clout with them(aka Texas)
Good Lord, you might as well call the East The Cripple League for football. Would be even more unbalanced than the Big 12 North vs South is currently.
Academics might be a problem but I don't think it's going to stop them from being accepted and CU probably doesn't have much pull in that conference yet. They've only been in that conference for 2 months.
20K and beyond. Shoot, we managed to get 10,000 responses in the "Texas A&M Leaving Big 12" thread before they even left!
Maybe the others can coerce them, but they still have an equal vote in conference matters, don't they? I also don't know if the Arizona schools would want to vote themselves out of playing in California even more infrequently. There sure is a lot of smoke, but the move doesn't make sense to me for either party.
Time for ISU to make a run at a BCS bowl this year. I'm thinking we beat Oklahoma this year, they still end up with better record (barely) to get the automatic bid, and with our cinderella story and fan attendance we get an at-large bid, proving we deserve a place in BCS football.
There, that wasn't so hard to figure out. Panic over.
There, that wasn't so hard to figure out. Panic over.
Statements from SEC Commissioner Mike Slive and Pac 12 reps are, I think, intended to deflect tortious interference allegations. The position is that the conferences were not intending to expand and did not initiate contact, but, acted only when approached. Unless somebody got really sloppy with email, Iit happens) winning a case against a conference would be tough. A case against one of the departing schools is a different matter. Ten schools pledged to stay together for ten years and some of the schools made investments and commitments in reasonable detrimental reliance.
Everything is different this year
1. PAC is getting paid, so they're not desperate for money.
2. All is takes is 1 school in the PAC to say no to expansion...CU is very opposed to it right now and I think all schools in the west would be very hesitant about playing one game in Cali every year instead in 3 or 4.
3. Texas is currently not in tow
4. Staying at 14 would mean splitting up some natural geographical rivals in different divisions...going to 16 would mean great uncertainty about who you're going to pick up as 15/16
5. This last one probably doesn't matter, but I read a couple papers put out rumblings about the academics of Okla St and Texas Tech
With that said...they'll probably still accept OU and OSU. Although if I was in their shoes, I would be a little scared about being so geographically far away from everyone else, being split from Texas, and forfeiting all former rivalries.
If super conferences happen and B1G adds more than two schools I wouldn't be surprised one bit if we get it. Sure they already have Iowa, but that wouldn't be the only state with two teams in the B1G, and its not like many ISU fans are watching the Iowa games on TV anyways. Hell if they do only add two teams, maybe they shock the world and add ISU and ND. I'm still holding out hope for the Big12 surviving, but a nice third option would be the BigEast merger. No matter which scenario plays out, I'm pretty confident ISU ends up in a fine situation.
Boomer: Just how would a pod system work for setting 2 teams up for a conference championship? Wouldn't you have to have 2 week playoff that would eliminate all bye weeks and have most teams sitting around for 6 weeks before a bowl?
I agree nothing is set in stone, I just think things are heading that way. For all we know, Beebe and the Big XII tried to get the Big East schools to join and got rejected. We don't know what things are like behind the scenes but I don't think OU or A&M would be this public unless they thought the move would be better for them for whatever reasons they have.
Does anyone think that if the Big 12 falls apart, that all the schools will move to other conferences and 10 years later form the Big 12 again once they realize that playing so far away is not worth it?
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