The Fran fade

[Cyinthenorth]

Chicago trib says Iowa is final for material next year...
https://www.chicagotribune.com/spor...0200311-jqzmq5mfkve77nhbczuxlknmj4-story.html

Hmm I am not seeing it. They will be a tough out if he comes back. But CBB will allegedly be better next year, so I'm not sure how Iowa will fare. They had a good year to try and make a run, with talent being down across the board.

Garza is an interesting prospect. I go back and forth trying to decide if he'll stick in the NBA or not. With everything being more spaced out, a wider lane, more athletic competition etc I have a hard time seeing it. I don't think he has the stamina to play many minutes at that level, and I don't think he'll be able to defend opposing 5's (the linked article has Garza as a PF in the NBA, not a C). Getting buckets will be harder than in college, but I think he'll still be able to at a fairly decent rate. Rebounding and defending though? Anyone's guess how he'll fare at that.

 

[jmb]

Hmm I am not seeing it. They will be a tough out if he comes back. But CBB will allegedly be better next year, so I'm not sure how Iowa will fare. They had a good year to try and make a run, with talent being down across the board.

Garza is an interesting prospect. I go back and forth trying to decide if he'll stick in the NBA or not. With everything being more spaced out, a wider lane, more athletic competition etc I have a hard time seeing it. I don't think he has the stamina to play many minutes at that level, and I don't think he'll be able to defend opposing 5's (the linked article has Garza as a PF in the NBA, not a C). Getting buckets will be harder than in college, but I think he'll still be able to at a fairly decent rate. Rebounding and defending though? Anyone's guess how he'll fare at that.

I simply don’t think the supporting is good enough to make them f4 quality.

 

[TRYHARDER]

Yeah this looks more accurate. I'd take ISU over 17.5 with a couple NIT wins. Iowa can go over 21.5 with Garza, but certainly not without. Jorbo, Weiskamp, and Frederick are all role players, and they would be the best ones Iowa could throw out there next year. Connor assist number take a hit without the big man to feed. Although I'm sure someone like Nunge or Pemsl could break out and slide into Garza's spot. Plug'n Play right?

Over/under is regular season only. ISU is not in the NIT if they're under that prior to the tournament.

 

[exCYtable]

I don't know how the other teams in the big 12 shape up for next season, you could be right. Would be a nice jump up for you guys. The Hawks are probably higher than 21.5 with Garza back.

Here's the thing about Iowa nxt year: Theoretically, they should be really good if Garza comes back. Elite 8 good possibly. But with all those guys coming back, Fran always struggles with playing too many guys. I think that was one of the reasons they played so well this year--he couldn't screw that up. And you never know if Garza can make it thru his entire senior season/career without some major injury. That's pretty rare.

 

[TRYHARDER]

Here's the thing about Iowa nxt year: Theoretically, they should be really good if Garza comes back. Elite 8 good possibly. But with all those guys coming back, Fran always struggles with playing too many guys. I think that was one of the reasons they played so well this year--he couldn't screw that up. And you never know if Garza can make it thru his entire senior season/career without some major injury. That's pretty rare.

Both good points. I have the same concerns myself. Nothing is ever a given. National perception at the start of next year would probably have then as a top ten ish team. Could they live up to that? Who knows. Hope we get to find out.

 

[Rabbuk]

Where would Garza be going?

 

[Acylum]

Does Garza's Dad still owe people millions of dollars? Could affect Luka's decision.

I don’t understand how that SOB isn’t in prison.

 

[ClonesFTW]

Just out of curiosity what metric leads you to believe the B10 is superior?

 

[Hawkmi]

Just out of curiosity what metric leads you to believe the B10 is superior?

I was more speaking to the notion that the BIG would ever fold.

 

[iahawks]

LUKA GARZA HONORS (2019-20)
• ESPN National Player of the Year
• Sporting News National Player of the Year
• Naismith Trophy Finalist
• Bleacher Report National Player of the Year
• Seth Davis of The Athletic's National Player of the Year
• Sporting News First-Team All-America
• CBS Sports First-Team All-America
• ESPN First-Team All-America
• NBC Sports First-Team All-America
• USA Today First-Team All-America
• Big Ten Men's Basketball Player of the Year
• USBWA District VI Player of the Year
• Wooden Award National Ballot
• Oscar Robertson Player of the Year Trophy Semifinalist
• Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Center of the Year Award Finalist
• Lute Olson Award Top 30

Most decorated basketball player ever in the state of Iowa athletics.

 

[BCClone]

LUKA GARZA HONORS (2019-20)
• ESPN National Player of the Year
• Sporting News National Player of the Year
• Naismith Trophy Finalist
• Bleacher Report National Player of the Year
• Seth Davis of The Athletic's National Player of the Year
• Sporting News First-Team All-America
• CBS Sports First-Team All-America
• ESPN First-Team All-America
• NBC Sports First-Team All-America
• USA Today First-Team All-America
• Big Ten Men's Basketball Player of the Year
• USBWA District VI Player of the Year
• Wooden Award National Ballot
• Oscar Robertson Player of the Year Trophy Semifinalist
• Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Center of the Year Award Finalist
• Lute Olson Award Top 30

Most decorated basketball player ever in the state of Iowa athletics.

So where will he get drafted? Hawks tell us in football that the most important thing is where they get drafted and if they hook with the league.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

LUKA GARZA HONORS (2019-20)
• ESPN National Player of the Year
• Sporting News National Player of the Year
• Naismith Trophy Finalist
• Bleacher Report National Player of the Year
• Seth Davis of The Athletic's National Player of the Year
• Sporting News First-Team All-America
• CBS Sports First-Team All-America
• ESPN First-Team All-America
• NBC Sports First-Team All-America
• USA Today First-Team All-America
• Big Ten Men's Basketball Player of the Year
• USBWA District VI Player of the Year
• Wooden Award National Ballot
• Oscar Robertson Player of the Year Trophy Semifinalist
• Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Center of the Year Award Finalist
• Lute Olson Award Top 30

Most decorated basketball player ever in the state of Iowa athletics.

All this tells me is there's too many arbitrary awards. Only 1 or 2 actually matter.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

So where will he get drafted? Hawks tell us in football that the most important thing is where they get drafted and if they hook with the league.

How many conflicted Packer/Hawkeye fans are there in the world, watching Allen Lazard this past season?

 

[CyTwins]

LUKA GARZA HONORS (2019-20)
• ESPN National Player of the Year
• Sporting News National Player of the Year
• Naismith Trophy Finalist
• Bleacher Report National Player of the Year
• Seth Davis of The Athletic's National Player of the Year
• Sporting News First-Team All-America
• CBS Sports First-Team All-America
• ESPN First-Team All-America
• NBC Sports First-Team All-America
• USA Today First-Team All-America
• Big Ten Men's Basketball Player of the Year
• USBWA District VI Player of the Year
• Wooden Award National Ballot
• Oscar Robertson Player of the Year Trophy Semifinalist
• Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Center of the Year Award Finalist
• Lute Olson Award Top 30

Most decorated basketball player ever in the state of Iowa athletics.

There's only one POY award and that hasn't been announced yet

 

[Cy$]

LUKA GARZA HONORS (2019-20)
• ESPN National Player of the Year
• Sporting News National Player of the Year
• Naismith Trophy Finalist
• Bleacher Report National Player of the Year
• Seth Davis of The Athletic's National Player of the Year
• Sporting News First-Team All-America
• CBS Sports First-Team All-America
• ESPN First-Team All-America
• NBC Sports First-Team All-America
• USA Today First-Team All-America
• Big Ten Men's Basketball Player of the Year
• USBWA District VI Player of the Year
• Wooden Award National Ballot
• Oscar Robertson Player of the Year Trophy Semifinalist
• Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Center of the Year Award Finalist
• Lute Olson Award Top 30

Most decorated basketball player ever in the state of Iowa athletics.

couldn't even lead his team to the tournament. Yikes.

 

[TRYHARDER]

There's only one POY award and that hasn't been announced yet

When will you be announcing?

 

[iahawks]

There's only one POY award and that hasn't been announced yet

Seems to be a two horse race between Garza and Toppin that will be really close imo. Garza and Toppin have racked up POY awards about evenly so far.

 

[CyTwins]

When will you be announcing?

I don't have a vote but if I did I'd go with Obi. Dude was clutch

 

[cycloner29]

I heard he also won the People Magazine's Ugliest POY. Won it by a bigger margin than Anthony Davis did a few year ago.

 

[intrepid27]

If Garza comes back, along with Jorbo, Patrick, and Nunge that will get Fran back to his 10-11 player rotation. We all know what that leads to. Bwahahahaha