Stop Playing Iowa

[tube1]

And maybe UNI is the most dangerous game. They treat it like a rivalry game and our team doesn't seem to even care about it.

And that's the problem. If we can't get up to beat up on UNI, then these guys shouldn't be on the field. We are not a team that can just roll onto the field and take care of business. Our guys should go into games determined to destroy teams. Lax attitudes lead to lax play. Welcome to 2016 Iowa State football.

 

[Tre4ISU]

The premise of the OP is inaccurate. None of those teams were built by a **** non-con schedule. They were built by being good teams. That's how you build your program.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I'm an Iowa fan who actually respects Iowa State and hopes the Cyclones win 11 of the 12 games they play each year. If I had my way, I wish the Iowa/ISU series went to a 2 years on/2 years off rotation. That allows every player who plays 4 years in each of the respective programs to experience the game in both teams' home stadium.

In addition, it would allow Iowa and ISU a bit more flexibility in their scheduling. If ISU wants to load up with lower-tiered teams a la Kansas State and Baylor to help with bowl eligibility, great. If ISU wants to replace Iowa with a home and home against a team located in an area the Cyclones wish to recruit, fantastic. Same way with Iowa. With the B10 now going to a 9-game conference schedule, it is impossible for Iowa to schedule a home and home with another Power 5 conference team if ISU is still on the schedule.

This proposal preserves the rivalry while, at the same time, allows both schools to explore other scheduling options.

No it isn't. That's a ******** excuse. How many examples would you like?

 

[jdoggivjc]

Without bothering to read most of the thread (and referencing attitudes from last wel)...

We should stop playing UNI because there's no upside to the game and we lose too often to them.

We should stop playing Iowa because there's no upside to the game and we lose too often to them (regardless that we've won 10 of the last 19).

With this attitude, considering our history, we should stop playing football altogether because there's no upside to it - we lose to EVERYBODY far too often.

Consider the Big 12:

We haven't beaten OU since the Big 12 was founded
We've beaten Texas twice all time
We've beaten TT only a handful of times.
We've beaten OSU only a handful of times since the Big 12 was founded
Baylor has owned our ass in the 2010s
K-State has owned our ass since Snyder took over
We have, what - a couple of wins combined against WVU and TCU since they joined the league.
Kansas is the one and only team that we have beaten regularly since the Big 12 was founded. Even then, even they have made a BCS game in that time frame.

I mean, when you get over the emotion of being curb-stomped by your primary rival, saying you want to quit the Iowa game because there's no upside is a bull**** excuse when everyone has owned your ass, especially when in the last 20 years they're one of two teams this team has had regular success against. If you want to take your ball and go home because Iowa beat us, you might as well suggest we do the ultimate take the ball and go home.

 

[Cy$]

If you have seen any of my posts about this in the past, you know this isn't just a reaction to yesterday. We need to stop playing Iowa every year if we are ever going to have the profile of this program be raised. IMO it's unrealistic and naive to think playing this game every year will result in a program that has the ability improve.

In my lifetime, there are essentially 3 programs in the Big 12 that elevated themselves from the absolute dregs of the league - KSU, BU, and KU (for a short time). These teams all played different styles, occured in slightly different eras, and had different coaching philosophies driving them.

The #1 correlation between all of these programs is that they scheduled cupcakes in their noncon. Not only cupcakes, but the cupcakiest cupcakes that every cupcaked. When Snyder came back to KSU for Round 2, he schedule TWO FCS teams his first year back.

This program needs positive energy. It needs to learn how to win.

"WELL THEY SHOULD ALWAYS BEAT UNI!"
"THE STATE LOVES THIS RIVALRY GAME!"

I agree. The problem is that they DON'T always beat UNI. In fact we are batting a ridiculous .500 against them in recent memory.

Batting .500 against Iowa is likely the best we could ever realistically hope for over the long haul.

Matt Campbell talked about wanting to make ISU the Midwest destination for the Big 12. If you were a decent Iowa high school product with an offer from both ISU and Iowa, why would you every consider going to ISU after watching beatdowns like Saturday?

Yes, the Iowa/ISU game has been fun in the past. However, if I had the choice, I'd rather be 2-0 vs. Rhode Island and Arkansas State with San Jose State on the horizon than 0-2 and the only real interesting thing until next year revolving around if Park will unseat Lanning and if we can possibly hang on to this recruiting class.

you'd have a point if ISU could beat ******* UNI more than once out of 3 or 4 games.

 

[tube1]

The UNI game is conservatively worth $500,000 to our bottom line. Anyone wanna have a gander at what our womens volleyball budget is?

Let's see what kind of atmosphere and fan experience we get when we roll Missouri State in for a rent-a-win. Are folks paying $65 a ticket for that game? Does MoS bring any fans?

 

[ArgentCy]

How many season ticket sales for next year are not going to be made because we started the year with a loss to UNI. Selling a few extra tickets to the season-opener, which is the easiest one to sell due to weather is not worth it. No reason to risk the rest of the season. Baylor schedules cup cakes and they were almost in the Playoff's. We need a cup cake that doesn't know where Iowa is on a map, a decent mid-major, and a P5 (Iowa). Sorry UNI but you are a victim of your own success in this case.

 

[StanleySteamer]

How many season ticket sales for next year are not going to be made because we started the year with a loss to UNI. Selling a few extra tickets to the season-opener, which is the easiest one to sell due to weather is not worth it. No reason to risk the rest of the season. Baylor schedules cup cakes and they were almost in the Playoff's. We need a cup cake that doesn't know where Iowa is on a map, a decent mid-major, and a P5 (Iowa). Sorry UNI but you are a victim of your own success in this case.

Lulz. You really think UNI is the problem? You think someone is gonna pony up to see a 2-10 team with a season opening win against Buena Vista as opposed to a 1-10 team with a loss to UNI? You think Baylor almost made the playoffs because they schedule cup cakes?

Baylor almost made the playoffs cause they shitstomped the teams they were supposed to shitstomp and nearly ran the table against everyone else.

If we can't ******* beat UNI the problem isnt that UNI is on the schedule, its that the product on the field more closely resembles the "team managers" flag squad than it does a quality D1 football team.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Quit playing Iowa????

How about:

 

[BryceC]

Some people just need to nut up.

We've been nutting up, and it's resulted in one winning season the last decade.

 

[BryceC]

The premise of the OP is inaccurate. None of those teams were built by a **** non-con schedule. They were built by being good teams. That's how you build your program.

How do you get good without consistently getting some wins?

 

[Gunnerclone]

How do you get good without consistently getting some wins?

Recruit, recruit, recruit. Practice, practice, practice.

 

[19clone91]

Dumb thread. UNI, not to mention the entire Big 12, has beaten us more than Iowa in the last 5 years

 

[isutrevman]

CyFan: KState did it, Baylor did it, hell KU won an Orange Bowl. Why can't it be done at ISU?

Facts: KSU, KU, and Baylor all utilized incredibly soft scheduling to help pick their program up off the mat. It was a key component in their building process.

CyFan: I don't like the idea of hiding from UNI and Iowa, we should just suck it up and beat them every time.

Facts: If we were a program that was winning 100% against UNI and a majority against Iowa, well that would be a program in a much better place than the program we have today. And what would make sense for scheduling for a program like that would be much different than what we need now.

.... Seriously, this is a program in desperate need of momentum, of building a brand, of exposure, of a change of culture. All of these things come from winning. We can't change the B12 makeup. We can't easily change our bottom of the league budget. We can't change where Ames is located. We can't change the local talent pool. But we can do more to stack the schedule in our favor. Why wouldn't we do it?

Because UNI IS an easy opponent when you don't suck.

 

[aeroclone]

Recruit, recruit, recruit. Practice, practice, practice.

And the best way to improve recruiting? Have some wins so you are selling a more successful program.

 

[Tre4ISU]

How do you get good without consistently getting some wins?

How many wins you have does not determine the quality of your team by itself. Teams win a lot of game because they are good. They aren't good because they win a lot of games. Yes, those teams scheduled crap teams but they weren't "good" until they won games in the Big 12. The difference between winning 3 games because you played three awful teams and winning 1 game because you scheduled tougher ones means nothing especially if you consider financial ramifications. Until you can beat the bottom half of the conference it doesn't matter. In fact, I would argue it's a bigger deal the better you are because you are knocking on the door of BCS bowls and national relevance. Getting to bottom level bowl games doesn't really matter.

 

[cyLKUIF]

Start 3-0 and beat KU and thats 4 wins a year consistently. Win 2/8 of the rest of the schedule and a bowl game is in the picture. String together bowl appearances and thats how you get momentum.

 

[Bryce7]

I would be all for getting rid of the UNI game but not the Iowa game. The reason being we basically play the same teams every year and that would free up another game to play a different team every year.

The solution is real simple. Recruit bEtter players.

 

[BryceC]

How many wins you have does not determine the quality of your team by itself. Teams win a lot of game because they are good. They aren't good because they win a lot of games. Yes, those teams scheduled crap teams but they weren't "good" until they won games in the Big 12. The difference between winning 3 games because you played three awful teams and winning 1 game because you scheduled tougher ones means nothing especially if you consider financial ramifications. Until you can beat the bottom half of the conference it doesn't matter. In fact, I would argue it's a bigger deal the better you are because you are knocking on the door of BCS bowls and national relevance. Getting to bottom level bowl games doesn't really matter.

Completely agree. However, it's the number of wins, not the quality of wins that matter for bowl eligibility in college football.

I like going to bowl games, even low tier ones. I get no joy out of the knowledge that we might be better than some other teams but have a worse record.

 

[mriowaniceguy]

I think most Iowa fans know what the national media thinks of them and outside of squabbling on twitter about it they don't really care. I would take their seasons from 2002 until now at ISU if it meant the the rest of the college football world though ISU was worthless.

I've listened to EDSBS all the way back to when they used to have a live show rather than a podcast - 05 or 06 and all I have to say is about Iowa's perception is 'meh'. I listen to EDSBS because Hall, Nanni et al are entertaining college football gigglybits. If Iowa fields a good team, fine time to celebrate with a drink. A crappy team? Time to try to drink away the memories. Either way I tailgate. Nothing short of a Sandusky style PSU program meltdown is going to change how I feel about Iowa. That goes for the friends I've made at games, tailgating, and now decades removed classmates from Iowa. So pretty much Sunnysideup is accurate about the ambivalence of Hawkeye fans towards lack of respect, if not disrespect, from national media. Hell maybe some of the staff uses that for motivation? I dunno.

But it's the second sentence here that is the most honest and the one about which most of the ISU fans I encounter - and it would appear a ton of them here at CF are included - are in denial. As disappointing as it is, I'll take a ****-the-bed Rose Bowl (or equivalent bowl) over a win in a middling bowl any day. It was nice ISU had their run starting in 98 as the series likely would have died without it. It's been amusing how some people are obligated to stretch the frame of reference to make the programs appear equivalent as ISU's streak falls further into the past. If most cyclone fans were honest, they'd take Iowa's record v. ISU and the bowl games the Hawkeyes have had over the last 10 years alone in a heartbeat (and it hasn't been all that great).

As for the OP, the series won't die, but I also doubt it continues on a yearly basis and I wouldn't be surprised if that changes before 2020. Conference realignments are going to dictate changes.

The last few days just lurking and reading the posts here have been entertaining and satisfying and for that I give you a condescending thank you

Edit - I'll forget you all until next year.