STEELE!!!

Another thing, rewatch the Iowa game. A healthy Steele is just as good of a runner as JB.

I'm not really advocating for either one though.

I think we can win with either, or both.



Uh, no he isn't even close. I'll bet Jantz is actually faster than Barnett, but some people know how to run the ball and some don't. It's called getting North and South. Jantz doesn't understand that, while Barnett excels at it.

And a passing game does not do the same things a run game does. Anybody suggesting it does needs to watch more football. There is a reason coaches want a run game first.

It's mentally draining to have a team run the ball down your throat. It's not that way with a passing game. You don't wear down due to a passing game. You can wear the defense down when you run the ball well.

Don't get me wrong. I want both. Jantz gives me good of neither. Barnett can at least give me a good run game. If Jantz were a clearly better thrower then you might have a point. He isn't. He has the arm and is taller but makes stupid decisions and his mechanics cause him to float the ball often (not good).

Jantz threw for a whopping 53.3% last year while Barnett was 50%. Barnett averaged 4.2 yards per carry while Jantz averaged 2.6. Jantz threw 11 interceptions while Barnett threw 6.

Uh oh, Jantz numbers actually aren't better when you look at rushing and interceptions. Imagine that.
 
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Steele has absolutely terrible footwork. He rarely sets and throws with proper technique. And it's not like it's unconventional and he's got odd technique. It's just all over the board, which explains his sporadic play.
 
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Take the Iowa game away from Steele and take the OSU game away from Barnett and you get two guys who are both pretty equal. I would say Steele's highs are a little higher but his lows are much lower than Barnett's.

Honestly, the biggest argument for Steele is he beat Iowa so I don't understand your Tiller comparison.

The biggest argument for Steele is he's more talented, has been in the offense for a year now, and it's easier to improve decision making and mechanics than it is to improve someones talent level over a year. But nice try.
 
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Jantz threw for a whopping 53.3% last year while Barnett was 50%. Barnett averaged 4.2 yards per carry while Jantz averaged 2.6. Jantz threw 11 interceptions while Barnett threw 6.
Your are basing your decision on which QB should start based on one averaging 1.6 more yards per carry?
No wonder our passing game is inept- we need to put Johnson back there!

Ouch
 
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Your are basing your decision on which QB should start based on one averaging 1.6 more yards per carry?
No wonder our passing game is inept- we need to put Johnson back there!

Ouch

Please tell my you aren't serious. 1.6 yards per rush is a ton more. I tell you what, you take both rushing averages times three and see which one gets you a first down.

You just can't be serious. (also because you ignored almost double interceptions by Jantz 11-6)
 
If you don't want to count all of Barnetts fumbles, probably shouldn't count Jantz' picks that hit the receivers hands first either. Or his desperation throws either.
 
If you don't want to count all of Barnetts fumbles, probably shouldn't count Jantz' picks that hit the receivers hands first either. Or his desperation throws either.

What??????

Care to actually list the fumble statistics? I haven't found them anywhere. Where did he get that number and where is the rest of the information?

If you don't want to list Jantz numbers, then just say so.

He clearly wasn't a much better thrower as many of you are saying. Sorry, stats say otherwise.
 
JARED AND STEELE BOTH SUCK RIGHT NOW. HOPEFULLY THEY BOTH IMPROVE SO WE CAN HAVE A SUCCESSFUL FALL CAMPAIGN. /thread
 
I agree with the fact I'm not confident in out passing game no matter who the quarterback is. I just hope someone surprises me. I like just about every other aspect of our team next year, except possibly the secondary.
 
I agree with the fact I'm not confident in out passing game no matter who the quarterback is. I just hope someone surprises me. I like just about every other aspect of our team next year, except possibly the secondary.
Secondary should be pretty good. D-Line is easily the weakness once again on the D.
 
IMO The staff is biding their time for SJ or SR to beat out JB. If not then it'll be JB until he plays himself out of it or gets hurt.
 
I will support whichever QB the coaches send out on the field.

If JB wins the job, I expect to see a lot of defenses do what OU did to us last year. In passing situations, they will rush four, keep one LB back to spy JB and drop everyone else back into coverage. Wait for JB to give up on the pass play and then the spy tackles him for little to no gain. Not very flashy but was very effective at killing drives. Watch the OU game replay if you have any questions. Not sure how effective the coaches can be at making him a more patient and stronger passer that can pick apart a D when they do this.

My biggest ding on SJ is he will try to force it deep when he has people open on the shorter routes. I like how he uses his feet to keep a passing play alive instead of just taking off down field. With the depth we have at running back, we shouldn't need our QB take all the extra hits by trying to be a second running back on the field. Let the RB's take those hits and maybe we can have a QB stay healthy all season.

I think the coaches can be more successful in getting SJ to check down to the next receiver than teaching JB to be a patient and stronger passer.

Just my opinion.

Counting the days until kickoff!

GO CYCLONES!
 
I'm gonna bypass opinion and put in some facts here. Fact is, the spring game was 1 of 15 practices and if you did not see all 15 its unfair for either guy to input my opinion on what or how they have or have not improved. So, I'm gonna continue with facts instead and you can go from there. As with the 15 practices, I looked at a body of work, the 3 games that "Steele" won and the 3 games that JB played in but the"defense" won. Here are the stats pulled from espn.com. Then you can have some real facts to debate.

Steele: UNI, Iowa, UCONN

Passing: 61/106 666 yards 6TD's /6 INT's 58% Comp
Rushing: 39 carries for 112 yards 2 TD's 2.9 YPC

Team Points 88 Opponent Points 80

TOP - UNI 24:44, Iowa 29:00, UConn 28:10

Barnett: TT, KU, OSU

Passing: 61/114 700 yards 4 TD's / 3 INT's 54%
Rushing: 55 carries for 300 yards 1 TD 5.5 YPC

Team Points 91 Opponent Points 49

TOP - TT 40:09, KU 30:43, OSU 35:13

I didn't think it would be fair for SJ fans to list data on their losses because technically we were in the OU game minus the turnovers and KSU game went to the wire. We actually outperformed KSU in almost every offensive category. However, we were not on the same field in the other losses except maybe BU. You can argue SJ's injury but JB was playing with 2 cracked ribs from early in the KU game. We can debate that some of his fumbles were byproducts of that injury but it wouldnt be facts. Just like we cant say SJ injury cause his issues. He had 6 of his INT's before the injury. You can debate these QB's until youre blue in the face. But people never bring it back to how the "team" played with these two QB's. The facts say go with JB. We are not built to be flashy, we are built to be efficient. The whole team is affected in a positive way. And the last time i checked, this was a team sport. Our "best chance to win" is when we're moving the chains, controlling the clock, and keeping these more high-powered offenses off the field.
 
I'm gonna bypass opinion and put in some facts here. Fact is, the spring game was 1 of 15 practices and if you did not see all 15 its unfair for either guy to input my opinion on what or how they have or have not improved. So, I'm gonna continue with facts instead and you can go from there. As with the 15 practices, I looked at a body of work, the 3 games that "Steele" won and the 3 games that JB played in but the"defense" won. Here are the stats pulled from espn.com. Then you can have some real facts to debate.

Steele: UNI, Iowa, UCONN

Passing: 61/106 666 yards 6TD's /6 INT's 58% Comp
Rushing: 39 carries for 112 yards 2 TD's 2.9 YPC

Team Points 88 Opponent Points 80

TOP - UNI 24:44, Iowa 29:00, UConn 28:10

Barnett: TT, KU, OSU

Passing: 61/114 700 yards 4 TD's / 3 INT's 54%
Rushing: 55 carries for 300 yards 1 TD 5.5 YPC

Team Points 91 Opponent Points 49

TOP - TT 40:09, KU 30:43, OSU 35:13

I didn't think it would be fair for SJ fans to list data on their losses because technically we were in the OU game minus the turnovers and KSU game went to the wire. We actually outperformed KSU in almost every offensive category. However, we were not on the same field in the other losses except maybe BU. You can argue SJ's injury but JB was playing with 2 cracked ribs from early in the KU game. We can debate that some of his fumbles were byproducts of that injury but it wouldnt be facts. Just like we cant say SJ injury cause his issues. He had 6 of his INT's before the injury. You can debate these QB's until youre blue in the face. But people never bring it back to how the "team" played with these two QB's. The facts say go with JB. We are not built to be flashy, we are built to be efficient. The whole team is affected in a positive way. And the last time i checked, this was a team sport. Our "best chance to win" is when we're moving the chains, controlling the clock, and keeping these more high-powered offenses off the field.


That is pretty good info there. It's a tough call to make, although some of your math is a little off.
 
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