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I'm so close to getting a complete viewing of every episode and somehow I completely diverged.

I had two seasons to go in Voyager and just totally lost interest. Watched Lower Decks which I loved. Then watched Picard which I think is basically a Star Trek TNG movie (that is somewhere in the middle ranking of TNG movies). Then watched S1 of Discovery that I did not care for (I think the super diverse cast/crew is great, the visuals are great, but the plot just is not interesting to me so far)...which somehow led me to watch Enterprise for the first time that I actually surprisingly love way more than Voyager.

Basically I have 2 seasons of Voyager, 3 seasons of Enterprise and 2 seasons of Discovery unwatched. It's very odd to have the end in sight rather than just rewatching TNG/DS9/TOS again which is my natural instinct until the past few years when I decided to watch it all.

I think it was the ugly uniforms and opening intro that had me convinced I would HATE Enterprise. I've been told it ends with a bad finale, but it's actually one of the better first seasons of any of the series. The Vulcans as outright pretentious a-holes who only "kind of" help out is brilliant.

I think getting back to those last two seasons of Voyager will be the last ones I watch, I just lost interest where the final seasons of TNG and DS9 are incredible.
 
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Kalinda Vazquez Set By Paramount To Script Original ‘Star Trek’ Movie

Kalinda Vazquez has been set by Paramount to write a 'Star Trek' movie. JJ Abrams' Bad Robot is producing. She has written for 'Star Trek: Discovery.'
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Kalinda Vazquez has been tabbed by Paramount to write a new Star Trek movie for them with JJ Abrams Bad Robot producing it. Apparently it is a brand new original movie which means it would NOT bring back the Abrams cast with the likes of Chris Pine, Zoey Saldana... etc. Personally, I've got to admit I'm not real excited about this. For one, I loved the new Kelvin timeline cast of characters and have been hammering to see more of them, so the idea of not using them makes me sad. Secondly, this girls writing credits include writing for both Star Trek Discovery and for The Runaways, both of which I've got my varying degrees of issues with. I guess we will see, but as of now, I'm pretty skeptical.
 
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Kalinda Vazquez Set By Paramount To Script Original ‘Star Trek’ Movie

Kalinda Vazquez has been set by Paramount to write a 'Star Trek' movie. JJ Abrams' Bad Robot is producing. She has written for 'Star Trek: Discovery.'
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Kalinda Vazquez has been tabbed by Paramount to write a new Star Trek movie for them with JJ Abrams Bad Robot producing it. Apparently it is a brand new original movie which means it would NOT bring back the Abrams cast with the likes of Chris Pine, Zoey Saldana... etc. Personally, I've got to admit I'm not real excited about this. For one, I loved the new Kelvin timeline cast of characters and have been hammering to see more of them, so the idea of not using them makes me sad. Secondly, this girls writing credits include writing for both Star Trek Discovery and for The Runaways, both of which I've got my varying degrees of issues with. I guess we will see, but as of now, I'm pretty skeptical.
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So does that mean they are rebooting completely?
 
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I don't think rebooting, but rather just a brand new cast of characters whether they be in the Kelvin or the normal timeline.
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I dont like the sound of this honestly.

Though really, im not sure its the best time for a movie in general.

The problem with the Trek franchise is theyve waited too long to give us another Enterprise. The enterprise will always be the marketable crew for a movie. We needed a next, next generation show. Had we done that a decade ago, we could be making movies with that crew now.

Instead we're at a point where the TNG storyline has pretty much run its movie course and we're just tying it up with Picard, the TOS cast is mostly gone and the reboot has run out of gas, so there arent a bunch of great directions to go in now. I dont see a rebooted TNG faring as well as the kelvin reboot did (and even that fizzled rather quick)

Maybe taking the formula in reverse and using a movie to kick off an enterprise-G show?
 
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Next ‘Star Trek’ Film To Be Directed By ‘WandaVision’s Matt Shakman; Script By Lindsey Beer & Geneva Robertson-Dworet

Matt Shakman has made a deal to direct the next untitled Star Trek film for Paramount and Bad Robot's JJ Abrams.
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Wandavision's show runner Matt Shakman to helm the next Star Trek movie being fast-tracked to production next spring. Gotta admit, I like this move. I loved what he did with Wandavision and really liked him in many interviews I saw with him. Regardless, I'm just excited to see a Star Trek movie actually close to production and not just in development infancy. Here is to hoping for the outside chance he uses the Kelvin timeline crew of Abrams.
 
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Next ‘Star Trek’ Film To Be Directed By ‘WandaVision’s Matt Shakman; Script By Lindsey Beer & Geneva Robertson-Dworet

Matt Shakman has made a deal to direct the next untitled Star Trek film for Paramount and Bad Robot's JJ Abrams.
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Wandavision's show runner Matt Shakman to helm the next Star Trek movie being fast-tracked to production next spring. Gotta admit, I like this move. I loved what he did with Wandavision and really liked him in many interviews I saw with him. Regardless, I'm just excited to see a Star Trek movie actually close to production and not just in development infancy. Here is to hoping for the outside chance he uses the Kelvin timeline crew of Abrams.
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We just watched the Abrams reboot last night.

The beginning of that movie was one hell of a way to relaunch Trek. Totally disappointing the momentum stalled

Live long and prosper
 
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We just watched the Abrams reboot last night.

The beginning of that movie was one hell of a way to relaunch Trek. Totally disappointing the momentum stalled

Live long and prosper
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I know some hardcore Trek fans hated it but that was a good movie.
 
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Can Paramount+ Succeed? One Producer Hopes to Make It So. (Published 2021)

“He’s our future,” one CBS Studios executive said of Alex Kurtzman, who has a lucrative contract to expand the “Star Trek” universe — and with it the streaming service’s audience.
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This is a long interesting article profiling Alex Kurtzman, as well as much of his ideas for the future of Star Trek. I honestly don't know what to think with Kurtzman. I think what he is producing is OK and his direction has been OK, but it hasn't really drawn me in and it doesn't seem to be growing Star Trek in overall popularity. I'd be curious other people's thoughts on Kurtzman, particularly those of you with much longer Star Trek histories and fandoms than myself.
 
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www.nytimes.com

Can Paramount+ Succeed? One Producer Hopes to Make It So. (Published 2021)

“He’s our future,” one CBS Studios executive said of Alex Kurtzman, who has a lucrative contract to expand the “Star Trek” universe — and with it the streaming service’s audience.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

This is a long interesting article profiling Alex Kurtzman, as well as much of his ideas for the future of Star Trek. I honestly don't know what to think with Kurtzman. I think what he is producing is OK and his direction has been OK, but it hasn't really drawn me in and it doesn't seem to be growing Star Trek in overall popularity. I'd be curious other people's thoughts on Kurtzman, particularly those of you with much longer Star Trek histories and fandoms than myself.
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My interests in streaming are likely very abnormal, but I actually think Prime and HBO Max are substantially better content than Netflix.

Part of that may be because for 8 years prime has had every episode of tv aired Trek that I've been slowly watching through. Not sure if/when that will become P+ exclusive but it could give them a boost.

Overall I find P+ to offer more for my tastes than Hulu and Showtime. Less than HBO/prime. About the same as Netflix/D+ but that may change if Star Wars content remains high quality.

Outside of Stranger Things I'm really blown away by how much crap original content Netflix pays for. I mean I tried, it's just crap. Meanwhile 90% of HBO shows are great. I guess there is another viewer who must be captivated by Netflix content (maybe kids content?).

P+ movie selection is just ok, Netflix movie selection isn't good either. HBO has best lineup of movies old and new, Prime is probably second imho.
 
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My interests in streaming are likely very abnormal, but I actually think Prime and HBO Max are substantially better content than Netflix.

Part of that may be because for 8 years prime has had every episode of tv aired Trek that I've been slowly watching through. Not sure if/when that will become P+ exclusive but it could give them a boost.

Overall I find P+ to offer more for my tastes than Hulu and Showtime. Less than HBO/prime. About the same as Netflix/D+ but that may change if Star Wars content remains high quality.

Outside of Stranger Things I'm really blown away by how much crap original content Netflix pays for. I mean I tried, it's just crap. Meanwhile 90% of HBO shows are great. I guess there is another viewer who must be captivated by Netflix content (maybe kids content?).

P+ movie selection is just ok, Netflix movie selection isn't good either. HBO has best lineup of movies old and new, Prime is probably second imho.
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I actively dislike Netflix. It never suggests anything that would interest me. Which leads to endless searching and then turning it off in frustration. (Except for What Did Jack Do?)

Hulu is never used since I reached the end of the Yasmine era on Baywatch. Prime was only for Fleabag.

Sopranos on HBO Max for the "win" I guess? Peacock is fine for background shows and Rockford....free so that helps.
 
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My interests in streaming are likely very abnormal, but I actually think Prime and HBO Max are substantially better content than Netflix.

Part of that may be because for 8 years prime has had every episode of tv aired Trek that I've been slowly watching through. Not sure if/when that will become P+ exclusive but it could give them a boost.

Overall I find P+ to offer more for my tastes than Hulu and Showtime. Less than HBO/prime. About the same as Netflix/D+ but that may change if Star Wars content remains high quality.

Outside of Stranger Things I'm really blown away by how much crap original content Netflix pays for. I mean I tried, it's just crap. Meanwhile 90% of HBO shows are great. I guess there is another viewer who must be captivated by Netflix content (maybe kids content?).

P+ movie selection is just ok, Netflix movie selection isn't good either. HBO has best lineup of movies old and new, Prime is probably second imho.
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Netflix clearly has a major problem and it is that they don't have 70+ years of already-made quality content and IP to draw from. Prior to all the movie/TV studios creating their own streaming services, Netflix made its name by licensing other people's content and showing it on their service. However, once it became clear to Netflix that everyone was going to create their own services and thus pulling all that licensed content, Netflix made about the only move possible to survive, which was to really ramp up their own content creation as quickly as possible. The trouble with this strategy is that it isn't easy to produce in a few years what other studios have been building upon over 70+ years, plus, they are having to due it with very limited IP availability. It's also clear they've taken up the strategy of quantity over quality, hoping quantity does matter some with customers, while also hoping a few of those projects stick in both quality and cultural zeitgeist. Now that we have a few years of data to gauge how successful they've been, I think it's safe to say its a mixed bag. On the TV front, they seem to be having MUCH MORE success than on the movie front, but is probably the easier task for them considering the circumstances. I'd argue they are in fact failing on the movie side, but in their defense, it was a bit of a nearly impossible hurdle they've been required to jump. Making quality movies is just hard, especially with very limited time and nearly zero existing IP to draw from. It just is what it is, but its also why I'm no longer a Netflix subscriber.
 
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Netflix clearly has a major problem and it is that they don't have 70+ years of already-made quality content and IP to draw from. Prior to all the movie/TV studios creating their own streaming services, Netflix made its name by licensing other people's content and showing it on their service. However, once it became clear to Netflix that everyone was going to create their own services and thus pulling all that licensed content, Netflix made about the only move possible to survive, which was to really ramp up their own content creation as quickly as possible. The trouble with this strategy is that it isn't easy to produce in a few years what other studios have been building upon over 70+ years, plus, they are having to due it with very limited IP availability. It's also clear they've taken up the strategy of quantity over quality, hoping quantity does matter some with customers, while also hoping a few of those projects stick in both quality and cultural zeitgeist. Now that we have a few years of data to gauge how successful they've been, I think it's safe to say its a mixed bag. On the TV front, they seem to be having MUCH MORE success than on the movie front, but is probably the easier task for them considering the circumstances. I'd argue they are in fact failing on the movie side, but in their defense, it was a bit of a nearly impossible hurdle they've been required to jump. Making quality movies is just hard, especially with very limited time and nearly zero existing IP to draw from. It just is what it is, but its also why I'm no longer a Netflix subscriber.
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I see it in my business of licensed collectibles and toys too. They went from almost no employees in consumer products, to a BOATLOAD, now I think they're finding balance between developing things in house and reaching out to other companies. It's really obvious finding their way in consumer product vs other licensors like WB/Uni/Disney.

Netflix is basically a one month Stranger Things subscription for me, the next best thing on there is actually several of their documentary series.

I'm actually finding more to like on P+ than Netflix lately, but I'm sure I'm abnormal there as a Trek fan. I am excited for S2 of Lower Decks. I actually like Picard viewed as a TNG movie. Discovery is a really tough watch for me so far, I don't know if I can get through S2.
 
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I see it in my business of licensed collectibles and toys too. They went from almost no employees in consumer products, to a BOATLOAD, now I think they're finding balance between developing things in house and reaching out to other companies. It's really obvious finding their way in consumer product vs other licensors like WB/Uni/Disney.

Netflix is basically a one month Stranger Things subscription for me, the next best thing on there is actually several of their documentary series.

I'm actually finding more to like on P+ than Netflix lately, but I'm sure I'm abnormal there as a Trek fan. I am excited for S2 of Lower Decks. I actually like Picard viewed as a TNG movie. Discovery is a really tough watch for me so far, I don't know if I can get through S2.
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Here is my personal thoughts/experience and strategies based on each service for now:

Netflix: Good only for a month subscription here and there to watch Stranger Things and hammer out their own movies I want to watch - very spendy for what limited things I use it for anymore

Disney+: One of the only essential services to always have due to my Disney/Marvel/Star Wars fandom and the fact that I have 3 young kids - price point is low for now which is helpful

Hulu: No longer has any programming I watch so I no longer subscribe to it at all

HBO Max: Has some of the best content out there and due to my DC fandom and their current movie release strategy is an essential subscription for multiple months each year - price point is high, but worth it for quality content

Paramount+: Sneaky essential one for me to have at least half the year, both due to my Star Trek fandom but also due to my young kids and all the Nickelodeon content (don't underestimated Paramount+'s draw with kids)- price point is relatively cheap to help the cause here

Apple+: Been a freebie with some Apple purchases in the past which I've watched rarely, but am getting into Ted Lasso - unlikely I'll subscribe for more than a month a year after my free deal ends

ESPN+: Good for a subscription a couple months a year is all to watch ISU content

Peacock: Sneaky good service with great content and one of the best technical platforms out there. Due to its free nature, I'll always be a free subscriber, but good for a few months here and there for premium due to low price point

In the end, based on how much I'll utilize in the future, I'd rank the platforms accordingly:

1. Disney+
2. Paramount+
3. HBO Max
4. Peacock
5. Netflix
6. ESPN+
7: AppleTV+
8. Hulu
 
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HFCS said:
I see it in my business of licensed collectibles and toys too. They went from almost no employees in consumer products, to a BOATLOAD, now I think they're finding balance between developing things in house and reaching out to other companies. It's really obvious finding their way in consumer product vs other licensors like WB/Uni/Disney.

Netflix is basically a one month Stranger Things subscription for me, the next best thing on there is actually several of their documentary series.

I'm actually finding more to like on P+ than Netflix lately, but I'm sure I'm abnormal there as a Trek fan. I am excited for S2 of Lower Decks. I actually like Picard viewed as a TNG movie. Discovery is a really tough watch for me so far, I don't know if I can get through S2.
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Why isn't Discovery clicking? We had the same thoughts, but wondering why. It's visually great. It seems like we should be l over this one, but we aren't

Missing the humanity of the original or TNG?
 
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