So your point is that our celebration looked like a celebration? I bet our celebrations also looked a lot like the campus celebrations after a school won an NCAA title. Does that mean they are somehow related?
Speculation that Osama Bin Laden killed
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So your point is that our celebration looked like a celebration? I bet our celebrations also looked a lot like the campus celebrations after a school won an NCAA title. Does that mean they are somehow related?
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As do I, I don't want to go down that path in this thread because we are not in the religion forum, but this dude was walking Satan. According to several reports, he was given the option to surrender. No way was he going to do that, it was an act of war in the end, one that he started on 9/11 and now that we ended.
If my grandpa (a world war II pilot) was still alive I would love to have seen his reaction if he read this little gem.
I respect your opinion, but I think you would feel differently if you were to lose that freedom. Its easy to take things for granted in 2010, but throughout humanity's history it has been shown time and time again that sometimes deadly force in necessary to resolve a conflict and protect the lives of innocents.
I will be the first to say that throughout history most wars are not black and white, fought between a "good" side vs. an "evil" side (WW2 is the most notable exception). We are not perfect, and we have made plenty of mistakes in the "War on Terror", but killing OBL is not one of them. He is not an ambiguous figure, he is an evil man, and the vast majority of people from his region of the world see him that way as well.
I'm saying our celebration of a death looked like how other countries celebrate the death of what they believe was a worthy cause. Don't get me wrong, I'm as thrilled as the next guy Bin Laden is gone and I personally am glad they shot to kill rather than capture and let the man languish as the justice system worked. But to compare it to a NCAA celebration is ridiculous. This is the celebration of a loss of life. Even though it was one of the most dispicable lives ever lived, it is not the equivalent of a joyous crowd having won a national title.
I just think that cheering, chanting, fireworks, dumpster fires, ect. is way too "Middle Eastern" of approach to an event that culminated in several deaths (even if justified, which they were). Also, lets get real here-- many of the "demonstrators" were not overcome by patriotism, they were college kids looking for a reason to walk around, yell, and maybe do some drinking. I think any attempt to turn Bin Laden's death into a party or riot is disingenous and loses sight of the grave nature of his existence. Again, not saying EVERYONE was out there to party, just expressing my doubt that the whole crowd was so overcome by patriotism they had to express themselves by singing and cheering until 2 A.M.
I am very confident that wouldn't happen if I was abundantly loving towards them.
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I don't think you quite understand how terrorists work or what the word terrorist means.
I have been in places where I had much less freedom, and it doesn't bother me. Bin Laden is an evil man, but that doesn't mean the U.S. needed to spend 10 years and 10s or 100s of billions of dollars to kill him.
Interesting. Do you have any proof of this?
I was watching the NYM@PHI game last night and they were showing people in the crowd who were moved to tears when they saw the announcement. It's pretty condescending to assume that just because you weren't moved to show outward gestures of patriotism by this that others could not have been.
It's hard to reason with terrorists-- the language barrier alone would be a ***** to overcome.
All I can do is hope that his death provides closure for those who lost loved ones on 9/11, and at least a small measure of comfort for those who have lost friends and family in the ensuing military actions.
As a student who attended the celebration last night, as others have stated, the whole thing was incredibly peaceful and "under control." That being said, from my perspective, it seemed that only about 1/4 of the students were there because they were genuinely patriotic and wanted to express their love of America. The other 75% seemed to consist of the "omg, we're totally rioting, lol" crowd, who were there more for the spectacle/party atmosphere than anything else. Again, this was just my perspective; others who were there, feel free to disagree.
Overall, I do feel agree with some posters in this thread that the over-the-top celebration did feel a little bit inappropriate. This is NOT because I feel any sympathy towards Bin Laden, rather, it just seemed like I was attending a sports rally, rather than a celebration of our country. In the end, as happy as I was when I heard the news, I felt like a more subdued "hand the ball to the official"-type celebration would have been more appropriate than the "Yeah, we kicked ***!!" celebration that I saw last night.
Overall, I do feel agree with some posters in this thread that the over-the-top celebration did feel a little bit inappropriate. This is NOT because I feel any sympathy towards Bin Laden, rather, it just seemed like I was attending a sports rally, rather than a celebration of our country. In the end, as happy as I was when I heard the news, I felt like a more subdued "hand the ball to the official"-type celebration would have been more appropriate than the "Yeah, we kicked ***!!" celebration that I saw last night.
the moment they find out you're an american, it won't matter how nice you are to them...
I just don't think the world will be much of a different place without Bin Laden. Somebody else will take his place, and terrorism will still continue. Someone even more violent and evil could rise up. The only difference is now the terrorists have more fuel to their fire on why to target Americans.
Maybe if you smile really nice and warm they'll at least knock you out before they saw off your melon.
At least I think I know what you're saying, for future reference:
Abundantly, def.: In large quantities
Perhaps I was a little strong with the "out of control". But this really sums up what I was getting at.
Personally, I think a candlelight vigil for the victims of 9/11 would have been far more appropriate.
Woah. I wish I lived in your world where unicorns **** rainbows and everyone is given a basket of puppies upon arrival.
Idealism about peace and love may get you so far in this world, but I doubt it will save your *** in a hostile country such as Afghanistan.