Petition on Big XII Refs

[ribsnwhiskey]

The bottom line is, if KsUck didn't get the benefit of the calls they have over the last x number of years, they wouldn't have won the conference as many times, gotten the high seeds in the tournament, and would've had a tougher time advancing. KsUck fans are so blind from the constant jerking off at how great they think they are, they'll never see the truth the rest of the world sees.

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[PullnPray]

Pullnpray...you're trolling another team's fan site, bragging up your team. KU wins a lot. We get that. You're a troll. We get that too.

Do you now understand why many of us dislike KU FANS?

I'm just pointing out how the facts are inconsistent with the common folklore believed by many envious fans that "KU performs poorly in the tournament because they no longer receive preferential treatment from the refs". KU doesn't perform poorly in the tournament; nor are we called for more fouls (or our opponents called for less). So either we receive favoritism during conference play and the tournament, or we don't receive favoritism at all.

 

[rholtgraves]

One petition commentor thought that KU struggles in the NCAA tournament because of the beneficial officiating they get in the B12 conference that they don't get in the NCAA Tournament. Quickly refuted by a KU fan, but here are the recent stats:

2013 #1 seed Kansas squeaks by #16 seed Western Kentucky 64-57
2011 #1 seed Kansas loser to #11 seed VCU 71-61
2010 #1 seed Kansas loser to #9 seed Northern Iowa 69-67
2008 #1 seed Kansas squeaks by #10 seed Davidson 59-57
2006 #4 seed Kansas loser to #13 seed Bradley 77-73
2005 #3 seek Kansas loser to #14 seed Bucknell 64-63

Oh my gosh! Close games and upsets in the tournament!! That proves it! When is the NCAA going to realize this?

 

[ImJustKCClone]

I'm just pointing out how the facts are inconsistent with the common folklore believed by many envious fans that "KU performs poorly in the tournament because they no longer receive preferential treatment from the refs". KU doesn't perform poorly in the tournament; nor are we called for more fouls (or our opponents called for less). So either we receive favoritism during conference play and the tournament, or we don't receive favoritism at all.

You completely misunderstood me. I'm not jealous, honey...I just think you're a jerk.

 

[RotatingColumn]

Embid will foul out a lot of games come tourny time. He better get a handle on that little elbow hook push off thing he does. It's illegal and he does it almost every time he goes to the hoop.

I wish I could find it now but I looked it up once and found that KU is called for almost twice as many fouls during their non-con schedule.

 

[rholtgraves]

I'm pretty sure I saw where all uh 12 refs get memos before the season where they tell refs to make sure KU wins. I've heard that is why Fred is going to the NBA.

 

[ChampFantana]

Embid will foul out a lot of games come tourny time. He better get a handle on that little elbow hook push off thing he does. It's illegal and he does it almost every time he goes to the hoop.

I wish I could find it now but I looked it up once and found that KU is called for almost twice as many fouls during their non-con schedule.

It's amazing the stories people will invent in their heads when they really, really want to believe something.

Kenpom has a metric that measures how often teams get to the line. It takes free throws attempted and divides it by field goals attempted to come up with a free throw rate. You can look at this data for conference games only and all games.

I did a little research on the last five years. In each year KU's defensive free throw rate in the Big 12 was greater than the overall rate. This tells us that KU's Big 12 opponents got to the line more frequently than KU's non-con opponents.

To say that KU is called for twice as many fouls in the non-conference is beyond absurd. Your perception is way off from reality.

 

[jdoggivjc]

I'd argue that because you can't name just one team in those conferences it's not as bad. I grew up a Hawkeye fan and never had some feeling that when we played Michigan we needed to win by 15 to win the game even if it was in Carver. As a Cyclone fan it was pretty apparent to me quickly that KU had a different set of rules for conference play I had never seen before in my life.

Some of the calls KU gets are just beyond bizarre, if it's just random bad officiating we could see at least 2-3 recent KU games where some unheard of crazy blown call lost a game for them. It's a problem all around, but I have never seen it as pronounced as KU during league play.

I didn't think the OSU call was that bad, it was the wrong call but it was bang bang understandable bad call. The initial call against KU last year also wasn't that bad...bang bang charge/block no call...ok...then calling a foul on Georges after letting the contact go on the shot because a KU dude is laying on top of him? That's fixing a game.

You seem to forget we have a school named Texas in our conference, which has done more to drive schools away from our conference than Kansas ever has.

 

[trajanJ]

Embid will foul out a lot of games come tourny time. He better get a handle on that little elbow hook push off thing he does. It's illegal and he does it almost every time he goes to the hoop.

I wish I could find it now but I looked it up once and found that KU is called for almost twice as many fouls during their non-con schedule.

Almost twice as many fouls in the noncon? Way to just make stuff up. KU averaged 21.0 fouls per game in the noncon. They currently average 20.3 fouls in the conference and that will go up because they play Texas Saturday and Texas has an inside presence.

 

[CoKane]

I'm just pointing out how the facts are inconsistent with the common folklore believed by many envious fans that "KU performs poorly in the tournament because they no longer receive preferential treatment from the refs". KU doesn't perform poorly in the tournament; nor are we called for more fouls (or our opponents called for less). So either we receive favoritism during conference play and the tournament, or we don't receive favoritism at all.

Not helping your case with that part.

 

[ruxCYtable]

Valid? Sure...everyone has the right to their opinion and to share it in any appropriate method they choose. Worth the effort? Heck no.




1: Because it's dumb.

2: It won't do anything or likely even be seen by anyone outside of internet message boards,

3: It has no validity whatsoever because you can just make up the required information.

4: It's probably going to get you on about 1500 spam lists (despite their promise to the contrary).

I can provide more if needed.

Before someone says "Why come into the thread?" I was curious as to why the thread still had legs and was on the front page still...only to find out it's because people are fighting with Jayhawk trolls, which is about as useless as the petition.

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Whether it be real or fake it really should be changed to fix NCAA basketball refs. I know the officiating in the B1G is just as bad and slanted towards MSU/Wisky/tO$U, but I imagine it is just as bad in other leagues. Just watch a Duke game and see what they get away with.

You can't change it b/c the problem is they are human. If you got every NCAA official fired, who would you replace them with? Someone less experienced. Remember the NFL replacement refs? Yeah, how'd that go?

 

[00clone]

You completely misunderstood me. I'm not jealous, honey...I just think you're a jerk.

Of note: Jerk and Jayhawk both start with J and end with K...Coincidence? I think not.

Also of note: Bill Self's initials are BS.

Also of note: Using Synonyms, Bill Self's name is essentially Bill Me...egotistical much?

Also of note: Kansas was settled by a bunch of racist in-bred Missourians and nutjob puritanical New Englanders.

Also of note: The prohibition movement got its traction in Kansas.

Yeah, eff Kansas.

 

[twocoach]

Embid will foul out a lot of games come tourny time. He better get a handle on that little elbow hook push off thing he does. It's illegal and he does it almost every time he goes to the hoop.I wish I could find it now but I looked it up once and found that KU is called for almost twice as many fouls during their non-con schedule.

Kansas Jayhawks Stats - College Basketball - StatSheet.com con games: called for 21.38 personal fouls per game Conference games: called for 20.55 personal fouls per game Assuming my match skills aren't too rusty that doesn't appear to come out very close to HALF. The vast majority of the less than one foul per game difference is the huge number of fouls called on all the freshmen in the first two games (51) as they got used to the new handcheck rules. Don't just make random stuff up. You didn't look anything up.

 

[twocoach]

In the KSU/KU animated gif, is that KSU getting called for a foul?!?!?! Is that Higgins standing right there looking right at it from 7 feet away? If that's the case can anyone with a straight face still think Higgins doesn't have a stiffy for KU after watching that?There's absolutely no way a foul should be called on KSU there, KU moving screen is the right call, no call is an understandable blown call...foul on KSU when you're standing right there looking at it is beyond stupid into rigging territory. As was the call of Niang on the floor fouling a player who was laying on top of him.

Niang gets away with 10+ moving screens a game. I don't think that's an issue ISU fans should fuss about.

 

[HFCS]

You seem to forget we have a school named Texas in our conference, which has done more to drive schools away from our conference than Kansas ever has.

I guess I was only talking about basketball. Growing up an Iowa fan, and still watching most of their basketball games because of friends and family (and living in Big Ten country), I never thought one basketball team in the Big Ten getting any sort of treatment on par with what KU gets. I think Michigan football at times might be in that range though.

You could argue Colorado getting a fifth down in 1990 is on par with KU scoring a 3 during a dead ball. I can't think of any other football calls over the years that are as blatant as many of KU's calls. Our football call against Texas this year had to be looked at over and over and over again to see what really happened, it was close...the fixed game in Ames against KU last year is obvious to everybody watching it live without even looking at slow motion or anything.

 

[HFCS]

Niang gets away with 10+ moving screens a game. I don't think that's an issue ISU fans should fuss about.

Does he get away with moving screens and they call a foul on the player he is fouling? That's an atrocious call in that gif and Higgins is looking right at it the whole time. A no call there I can totally understand and agree it happens all the time, how do you blow a whistle on that play and it's not on KU?

And as always with my favorite troll, come back when somebody hits a deadball 3 pointer on KU.

 

[twocoach]

One petition commentor thought that KU struggles in the NCAA tournament because of the beneficial officiating they get in the B12 conference that they don't get in the NCAA Tournament. Quickly refuted by a KU fan, but here are the recent stats:2013 #1 seed Kansas squeaks by #16 seed Western Kentucky 64-572011 #1 seed Kansas loser to #11 seed VCU 71-612010 #1 seed Kansas loser to #9 seed Northern Iowa 69-672008 #1 seed Kansas squeaks by #10 seed Davidson 59-572006 #4 seed Kansas loser to #13 seed Bradley 77-732005 #3 seek Kansas loser to #14 seed Bucknell 64-63

Gee, it can't just be that Kansas has had a number of knuckleheaded players in the Self era (Langford, Collins, Morris twins, Elijah Johnson) that thought their reputation alone would win them games and didn't take these opponents seriously... And I am pretty sure that the Davidson team led by NBA All Star Steph Curry beat the #2 and #3 seeds in that bracket that year. They were an excellent team, regardless of their seed and Curry put forth a historic run in that tourney. But don't let common sense stand in the way of a lame conspiracy.

 

[twocoach]

Does he get away with moving screens and they call a foul on the player he is fouling? That's an atrocious call in that gif and Higgins is looking right at it the whole time. A no call there I can totally understand and agree it happens all the time, how do you blow a whistle on that play and it's not on KU?And as always with my favorite troll, come back when somebody hits a deadball 3 pointer on KU.

I am sure it has happened to someone trying to get around Niang's moving screen numerous times but ISU is the only fan base that catalogs 10+ years of video to whine about so I don't feel like looking for video evidence of it.

 

[ribsnwhiskey]

I am sure it has happened to someone trying to get around Niang's moving screen numerous times but ISU is the only fan base that catalogs 10+ years of video to whine about so I don't feel like looking for video evidence of it.

Our favorite KsUck troll is back! Why did it take this long for you to show up?

 

[twocoach]

Oh my gosh! Close games and upsets in the tournament!! That proves it! When is the NCAA going to realize this?

It's amazing that no other highly seeded teams have ever been upset in the tourney...