It's a staple of EVERY offense, that's why it's stupid to whine about Kansas doing it. EVERYONE is doing it at an alarming rate.
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It's a staple of EVERY offense, that's why it's stupid to whine about Kansas doing it. EVERYONE is doing it at an alarming rate.
Step 1: Considering she mentions it about once every couple of weeks....be a poster who is actually here to talk about ISU athletics rather than a Jayhawk fan who just pops in to get in arguments defending your boys.
Step 2...nope, really just that one step. kthxbai
Name one call against KU that is even remotely close to:
1. Dead ball 3. (In 35 yrs of watching basketball I haven't seen an officiating event like that, at any level.)
2. 5th foul on key player that ends up going to a different player 10 feet away.
3. No call on the most obvious charge you will ever see. (Niang was set for 2 seconds)
4. After #3 ref makes up call on Niang so KU is given a chance to tie the game from the FT line.
Look, you can't reasonably argue that Kansas doesn't get preferential treatment from the officials. But that doesn't refute the fact that KU still has the best basketball program in the conference.
Texas gets the same treatment in football. Remember Mangino's legitimate rant 10 yrs ago. KU was on the short end of that one.
1. Dead ball 3. (In 35 yrs of watching basketball I haven't seen an officiating event like that, at any level.)
2. 5th foul on key player that ends up going to a different player 10 feet away.
3. No call on the most obvious charge you will ever see. (Niang was set for 2 seconds)
4. After #3 ref makes up call on Niang so KU is given a chance to tie the game from the FT line.
Look, you can't reasonably argue that Kansas doesn't get preferential treatment from the officials. But that doesn't refute the fact that KU still has the best basketball program in the conference.
Texas gets the same treatment in football. Remember Mangino's legitimate rant 10 yrs ago. KU was on the short end of that one.
you forget the foul that Withey should have been called for, another player raised his hand and the refs let them get away with it. The gave the foul to the other player when it was Whithey who actually should have fouled out of the game on that play. That was terrible, just terrible. It impacted the game because it was Withey who was able to get at the ball on that last play. Had he not been in the game, that rebound was ours.
I can make the argument that Kansas doesn't get preferential treatment because the numbers simply don't support it. You picked out what, four situations over the last ten years that you have issues with? And they happened in a grand total of two games ten years apart. Kansas and Iowa State have played a total of 232 games and there were issues in TWO of them that stand out to you. I am fairly certain that if there was a pattern of Kansas favoritism that the list would be MUCH longer than two offensive games out of 232 games.
None of you should become attorneys. This has been the worst built case in history.
"Let them get away with it?" It's called making a mistake. They didn't consciously decide to give the foul to a different player than who they called the foul on. DVR the next tough ISU game and go back through and verify that every call, especially where an ISU player raised their hand on a foul call, was correct and let me know. Against TCU won't be a good example because they are horrible, but an actual game that is tight. You'll see.
Oh yeah, we all remember that time when Oklahoma was allowed to score a basket during the halftime frisbee dog show against Kansas. It really did balance out the time Kansas was allowed to score a 3 during a deadball.
Who doesn't remember the fabled time Kansas got scored on during the frisbee dog halftime show, it's common knowledge.
Well, let's just break it down here, shall we? One of us is bragging up our team on a board run by a different fanbase. Which one of us would that be, hmmmm?
And yes - I'm an older woman. Does that invalidate any sports opinions I may have?
In the same game with the dead ball 3 pointer, KU also made another 3 pointer with their foot on the line. Replay shows it big as ****.
Anyone who has been watching Big 12/Big 8 bb for years can clearly see KU getting better treatment. For Twocoach to make the claim that numbers don't support that KU gets better treament is not accurate. You can't look at the number of fouls called and draw a conclusion. When were the fouls called? After the game was not in doubt anymore? What about the fouls that are not called? I have seen on multiple occasions where Kansas was able to push, hand check, hook and hold, ect... and they do not let the other team play the same way. The ONLY people that would disagree with any of this would be KU fans. Even Doug Gotlieb, who is not pro ISU by any means, has commented on how KU has it better than anyone else when it comes to the officiating.
Anyone who has been watching Big 12/Big 8 bb for years can clearly see KU getting better treatment. For Twocoach to make the claim that numbers don't support that KU gets better treament is not accurate. You can't look at the number of fouls called and draw a conclusion. When were the fouls called? After the game was not in doubt anymore? What about the fouls that are not called? I have seen on multiple occasions where Kansas was able to push, hand check, hook and hold, ect... and they do not let the other team play the same way. The ONLY people that would disagree with any of this would be KU fans. Even Doug Gotlieb, who is not pro ISU by any means, has commented on how KU has it better than anyone else when it comes to the officiating.
I understand you are a jerk off who is either a delusional fanboy or just a ***** with too much time on your hands in your mother's basement, but with as dirty as elbows has shown to be, and after years of aldrich, withey etc, you accuse anyone of greeting away with moving screens???
Pretty typical delusion from one of the most delusional insecure fanbases in the history of college sports. You know even ut fans child sack up and admit how bad the missed fumble call was. Pos ku fans couldn't even admit what their eyes told them, what the national media told them, what the conference symbolically told them.
That missed fumble call against UT in football was an understandable missed call. Last year in Ames, deadball 3 game, several others don't even fall into the same category. They're not tough judgement errors, they're baffling horrible calls that defy explanation.
Our call against Ohio State was perfectly understandable, wrong but understandable. Calling Niang laying on the floor with a KU guy on top of him after not blowing any whistle on KU's last bricked shot, it stunk to high hell, it was a story on PTI and sportscenter for almost an entire week.
For all their program wealth and success, UT fans are actually very pleasant. Even after we beat them down there in 2010. Had many buy us beers and say ISU came to play. If the ku fanbase isn't the worst in America, I have a harder time naming one. The excuses they come up with are pathetic. I dislike ku so much I moved to Missouri. The hate keeps me warm.
Do people not remember Aaron Miles punching Jared Homan in the head, and not getting ejected, nor receiving any punishment from the big12? Good times. A technical knockout - Kansas 70, Iowa State 51 | KUsports.com I cannot think of any other conference that favors one team in a sport as much as ku bball and the big12.
Also, for ISU fans viewing displeasure: Phantom Three at the Phog - YouTube
Also, for ISU fans viewing displeasure: Phantom Three at the Phog - YouTube
Twocoach, you're a ******. He brought up four calls because these are extremely obvious calls that everyone remembers. Why are you even in this forum? You're just some big troll that doesn't understand the game. When an apology letter is required by the Big 12, you know the refs clearly blew it. Being forced to write an apology letter rarely ever happens. So if you're going to sit here and say "the refs make mistakes. It's part of the game.", then you are a full on idiot.
A missed charge call and calling it out of bounds on the wrong player happens, but the phantom 3 at the Phog was such a bad call that people still remember it ten years later. That's beyond a simple mistake. Writing an apology letter is beyond the refs making a mistake. You're the biggest troll and nobody here agrees with your blind favoritism.
Gottleib isn't pro-ISU, he's anti KU. He was a guard at Okie State and is still mad that Kansas' Aaron Miles passed him for the all-time Big 12 career assists lead. He's also a monumental loser after having gotten kicked out of Notre Dame for stealing credit cards from his roommate. Great source for your material...
And I have seen multiple occassions where teams were able to push, hand check, hook and hold Kansas players. You just watch Kansas games through your "I hate Kansas because they get all the calls" glasses. To pretend like you aren't just as biased is silly.
This is the same boring rant on the same calls made by the same boring posters over and over. Get some new material or else a good therapist. Or possibly realize that a few bad calls that didn't go your way have poisoned the way you watch the game and made it impossible for you to view the game through a realistic lens. The whole "chip on the shoulder" thing is officially overplayed after ten years.
"Bragging up" the Jayhawks, to the extent I've done that at all, was an unintended side effect of simply presenting facts (related to KU's tournament success) that are inconsistent with the theory that KU's games are officiated differently during Big 12 play than they are during tournament play. The only difference in officiating I see between KU's regular season games and postseason games is that there seems to be fewer bad calls both ways in the postseason.
Why do you even ask this question? Have I said a single sexist or ageist thing? I didn't even know you were an older woman until someone pointed it out to me. It's not relevant. I don't think much of your opinions because they appear to be the product of irrational anger and poor reading comprehension skills, but this has nothing to do with your age or gender.
Mangino's rant was not legitimate. He was wrong. He was right that it was a bad call, but wrong that it was intentional.
From the 2004 ISU vs KU game, the officials obviously screwed up by only giving ISU 1 free throw. But they were correct to not take aways KU's 3 point basket on the ensuing possession. NCAA officiating rules state failing to award a merited free throw is a correctable error (Rule 2, Section 10). The rules provides for the merited free throw to be administered on the next dead-ball situation. It does not permit the cancellation of a made basket that occurred prior to the next dead ball.
Evidence that officials make bad calls is not evidence that officials intentionally make bad calls. I've never seen a coherent explanation for why the officials would intentionally favor KU. They have every incentive to get the calls right. At every Big 12 game, there is an observer whose job is to grade the officials. At the end of the year, only the top rated officials are recommended by the league for postseason work. So what benefit would an official derive from favoring KU?
The idea that refs tend to unconsciously favor players and teams with "star power" is at least plausible. However, I think this phenomenon is overrated if it exists at all. Furthermore, it would not be unique to KU, nor would it be limited to KU's Big 12 games.
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