Oscar Predictions for Tonight...

[CloneIce]

He slapped someone on live television in front of millions of people after a joke he was filmed laughing it. This was done all for show by an egomaniac in a crowd full of similar egomaniacs. Then they all cheered for him while he blabbered on about some mysterious calling from God that apparently involves slapfighting with Marty the Zebra. Just the way he walked up there and walked back shows he thought he was pretty tough ****, with an unprovoked open handed slap of a 5'9" dude in Tom Ford.

These people all suck.

Weird take. A guy told a joke about a guys woman. Other guy took offense, tempers flared, words and a blow were exchanged. Same thing that happened countless times in the small Iowa town I grew up in and then at Ames. Normal stuff.

You come here and a few people are whining and going on about how this was all about “Hollywood elites” and “egomaniacs?” Huh? Cmon man, this is a down to earth, normal interaction you’d see in working class America. The setting of it at a swanky award show on TV is why it stands out. I’d say that was opposite of Hollywood elitism, it was a visceral reaction from an angry dude losing his cool. I think most of the people clutching their pearls about it are just searching for an excuse to whine or make some lame political point.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Agree. They have always been so biased against sci fi, even though that genre contains so many of our greatest stories. Same holds true for television awards.

Just to throw together a brief alphabetical list of my favorite sci-fi films...

2001
A New Hope
Alien
Aliens
Blade Runner
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Dune
The Empire Strikes Back
Forbidden Planet
Interstellar
Jurassic Park
Planet of the Apes
Starship Troopers
The Terminator
Terminator 2
The Thing
The Wrath of Khan

I'm sure they won a pile of technical awards, but best picture/director/actor/actress?

Two were nominated for best picture (A New Hope and Dune) and neither won.

Four directors were nominated for best director but none won.

Kubrick for 2001: A Space Odyssey
Lucas for A New Hope
Spielberg for Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Villeneuve for Dune

Kubrick lost to My Fair Lady, which nobody remembers or watches anymore. Lucas and Spielberg lost to Woody Allen and Annie Hall, which is remembered but hardly foundational like A New Hope. And Villeneuve lost to a film that so far has a box office of less then $500,000 according to Wikipedia.

No nominees for Best Actor. Only one for Best Supporting Actor (Alec Guinness in A New Hope). I can't find *any* for an actress. They didn't even nominate Amy Adams for Arrival.

None of these deserved any recognition?

Keir Dullea (lead) in 2001: A Space Odyssey?
Sigourney Weaver (lead) in Alien or Aliens?
Rutger Hauer (supporting) in Blade Runner?
Matthew McConeghay, Jessica Chastain, or Anne Hathaway in Interstellar?
Jeff Goldbum or Richard Attenborough (supporting) in Jurassic Park?
Charlton Heston (lead) or Maurice Evans (supporting) in Planet of the Apes?
Kurt Russell (lead) in The Thing?
Leonard Nimoy or Ricardo Montalbán (supporting) in The Wrath of Khan?

All those performances are far more remembered than 90% of those on the Wikipedia lists.

 

[Gonzo]

He's mad his nerd movie didn't win best picture.

I think the Academy gets things wrong as much as anyone. But to imply that just because something isn't a big budget action/sci-fi means only four people saw it and it'll be quickly and easily forgotten is just nonsense.

 

[Clonefan32]

Weird take. A guy told a joke about a guys woman. Other guy took offense, tempers flared, words and a blow were exchanged. Same thing that happened countless times in the small Iowa town I grew up in and then at Ames. Normal stuff.

You come here and a few people are whining and going on about how this was all about “Hollywood elites” and “egomaniacs?” Huh? Cmon man, this is a down to earth, normal interaction you’d see in working class America. The setting of it at a swanky award show on TV is why it stands out. I’d say that was opposite of Hollywood elitism, it was a visceral reaction from an angry dude losing his cool. I think most of the people clutching their pearls about it are just searching for an excuse to whine or make some lame political point.

I think where you lost me is a guy doing his job as the host of the Oscars being compared to the drunk guy at the end of the bar making a pass at a some guy's lady.

How many hundreds and hundreds of award shows have gone forward with hosts poking fun at guest without someone coming on stage to take a swing? And you want to call this normal?

 

[Sigmapolis]

I think the Academy gets things wrong as much as anyone. But to imply that just because something isn't a big budget action/sci-fi means only four people saw it and it'll be quickly and easily forgotten is just nonsense.

Obvious hyperbole is obvious.

 

[3TrueFans]

Just to throw together a brief alphabetical list of my favorite sci-fi films...

2001
A New Hope
Alien
Aliens
Blade Runner
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Dune
The Empire Strikes Back
Forbidden Planet
Interstellar
Jurassic Park
Planet of the Apes
Starship Troopers
The Terminator
Terminator 2
The Thing
The Wrath of Khan

I'm sure they won a pile of technical awards, but best picture/director/actor/actress?

Two were nominated for best picture (A New Hope and Dune) and neither won.

Four directors were nominated for best director but none won.

Kubrick for 2001: A Space Odyssey
Lucas for A New Hope
Spielberg for Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Villeneuve for Dune

Kubrick lost to My Fair Lady, which nobody remembers or watches anymore. Lucas and Spielberg lost to Woody Allen and Annie Hall, which is remembered but hardly foundational like A New Hope. And Villeneuve lost to a film that so far has a box office of less then $500,000 according to Wikipedia.

No nominees for Best Actor. Only one for Best Supporting Actor (Alec Guinness in A New Hope). I can't find *any* for an actress. They didn't even nominate Amy Adams for Arrival.

None of these deserved any recognition?

Keir Dullea (lead) in 2001: A Space Odyssey?
Sigourney Weaver (lead) in Alien or Aliens?
Rutger Hauer (supporting) in Blade Runner?
Matthew McConeghay, Jessica Chastain, or Anne Hathaway in Interstellar?
Jeff Goldbum or Richard Attenborough (supporting) in Jurassic Park?
Charlton Heston (lead) or Maurice Evans (supporting) in Planet of the Apes?
Kurt Russell (lead) in The Thing?
Leonard Nimoy or Ricardo Montalbán (supporting) in The Wrath of Khan?

All those performances are far more remembered than 90% of those on the Wikipedia lists.

tldr

 

[Gonzo]

Obvious hyperbole is obvious.

So you don't actually believe what you wrote about Dune being the only movie from this year's Oscars people will remember in 10 years... got it.

 

[Mr Janny]

Just to throw together a brief alphabetical list of my favorite sci-fi films...

2001
A New Hope
Alien
Aliens
Blade Runner
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Dune
The Empire Strikes Back
Forbidden Planet
Interstellar
Jurassic Park
Planet of the Apes
Starship Troopers
The Terminator
Terminator 2
The Thing
The Wrath of Khan

I'm sure they won a pile of technical awards, but best picture/director/actor/actress?

Two were nominated for best picture (A New Hope and Dune) and neither won.

Four directors were nominated for best director but none won.

Kubrick for 2001: A Space Odyssey
Lucas for A New Hope
Spielberg for Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Villeneuve for Dune

Kubrick lost to My Fair Lady, which nobody remembers or watches anymore. Lucas and Spielberg lost to Woody Allen and Annie Hall, which is remembered but hardly foundational like A New Hope. And Villeneuve lost to a film that so far has a box office of less then $500,000 according to Wikipedia.

No nominees for Best Actor. Only one for Best Supporting Actor (Alec Guinness in A New Hope). I can't find *any* for an actress. They didn't even nominate Amy Adams for Arrival.

None of these deserved any recognition?

Keir Dullea (lead) in 2001: A Space Odyssey?
Sigourney Weaver (lead) in Alien or Aliens?
Rutger Hauer (supporting) in Blade Runner?
Matthew McConeghay, Jessica Chastain, or Anne Hathaway in Interstellar?
Jeff Goldbum or Richard Attenborough (supporting) in Jurassic Park?
Charlton Heston (lead) or Maurice Evans (supporting) in Planet of the Apes?
Kurt Russell (lead) in The Thing?
Leonard Nimoy or Ricardo Montalbán (supporting) in The Wrath of Khan?

All those performances are far more remembered than 90% of those on the Wikipedia lists.

I mean...it's the Oscars. I don't want to post the "We Landed on the Moon" meme from Dumb and Dumber, and you're not wrong, but it's not like you're in uncharted territory with your complaint.

In the end, it's all just people's opinions. None of those films you listed win an Oscar for best picture or best actor or best director, but they're still held in plenty high regard. If you don't like the opinion of the Academy, don't pay any attention to it. They won't come to your house. I promise.

Side note, do you really think Charlton Heston deserved an award for acting in Planet of the Apes? He's cheesier than mouse farts.

 

[Rods79]

Hmmm directing seems like a tough gig

Tom Hanks finally apologizes to Connor Ratliff for firing him for having 'dead eyes'

Tom Hanks joined Connor Ratliff on his podcast to discuss Ratliff's firing from the HBO miniseries.

ew.com

This should have been masked under a Spoiler Alert! I've been enjoying this pod but haven't listened to the last few.

 

[CloneIce]

I think where you lost me is a guy doing his job as the host of the Oscars being compared to the drunk guy at the end of the bar making a pass at a some guy's lady.

How many hundreds and hundreds of award shows have gone forward with hosts poking fun at guest without someone coming on stage to take a swing? And you want to call this normal?

I’m on Chris Rocks side, his joke wasn’t that bad. I didn’t call it normal - I said specifically that it stood out so much better because of the setting. But good lord, don’t you think it’s overdramatic to rant about how “all these people suck” or how they are egomaniacs etc, or even worse claim that this is going to cause a ln explosion of violence among all these peaceful children (like another poster did)?

One dude lost his cool, it was entertaining because we know these two and it was on love TV. It was good entertainment because it was real and unexpected. I Don’t get why people are upset about it.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I mean...it's the Oscars. I don't want to post the "We Landed on the Moon" meme from Dumb and Dumber, and you're not wrong, but it's not like you're in uncharted territory with your complaint.

In the end, it's all just people's opinions. None of those films you listed win an Oscar for best picture or best actor or best director, but they're still held in plenty high regard. If you don't like the opinion of the Academy, don't pay any attention to it. They won't come to your house. I promise.

Side note, do you really think Charlton Heston deserved an award for acting in Planet of the Apes? He's cheesier than mouse farts.

All agreed save the bit about Heston...

Yeah, it's cheesy by modern standards. But compare it to the era.

John Wayne was cheesy in just about everything but still deserved it for True Grit in 1969.

I'll stand by holding Evans' Dr. Zaius in very high regards, though.

 

[Clonefan32]

I’m on Chris Rocks side, his joke wasn’t that bad. I didn’t call it normal - I said specifically that it stood out so much better because of the setting. But good lord, don’t you think it’s overdramatic to rant about how “all these people suck” or how they are egomaniacs etc, or even worse claim that this is going to cause a ln explosion of violence among all these peaceful children (like another poster did)?

One dude lost his cool, it was entertaining because we know these two and it was on love TV. It was good entertainment because it was real and unexpected. I Don’t get why people are upset about it.

Did you watch his speech? The slap would have been crazy but more understandable with an ounce of contrition. But he got up there and ranted about God telling him to be an agent of peace or some **** like that while they all applauded him like he had said and done something commendable.

 

[Sigmapolis]

So you don't actually believe what you wrote about Dune being the only movie from this year's Oscars people will remember in 10 years... got it.

Of the ten nominated for BP, which ones do you think will have some enduring cultural legacy?

 

[CloneIce]

Did you watch his speech? The slap would have been crazy but more understandable with an ounce of contrition. But he got up there and ranted about God telling him to be an agent of peace or some **** like that while they all applauded him like he had said and done something commendable.

His tear filled rambling speech? Great TV. I like a good meltdown.

I guess you wanted them to boo him ? Or maybe tar and feather him? I don’t know I don’t think they do that at these shoes.

 

[Gonzo]

Of the ten nominated for BP, which ones do you think will have some enduring cultural legacy?

Lol, "enduring cultural legacy?" Definitely Dune and only Dune.

For me personally I'll always value CODA and Don't Look Up and will dial them up in the years ahead for sure.

 

[Mr Janny]

All agreed save the bit about Heston...

Yeah, it's cheesy by modern standards. But compare it to the era.

John Wayne was cheesy in just about everything but still deserved it for True Grit in 1969.

I'll stand by holding Evans' Dr. Zaius in very high regards, though.

The late 60's were prime Paul Newman/Dustin Hoffman/Robert Redford. There was plenty of non cheesy acting to compare it to.

 

[Dr.bannedman]

sometimes you gotta slap a b

 

[mynameisjonas]

Did you watch his speech? The slap would have been crazy but more understandable with an ounce of contrition. But he got up there and ranted about God telling him to be an agent of peace or some **** like that while they all applauded him like he had said and done something commendable.

Most of that room is severely mentally ill

 

[Sigmapolis]

Lol, "enduring cultural legacy?" Definitely Dune and only Dune.

For me personally I'll always value CODA and Don't Look Up and will dial them up in the years ahead for sure.

Just to give you a stronger counterargument against my point --

Films just aren't central to cultural life as they used to be. Too much competition -- prestige television, streaming services, documentaries, podcasts, videogames, etc. -- and a Hollywood business model too dependent on tentpole effects movies and appealing to overseas/Chinese audiences to put forth mature, adult fare as the core of their business. The one exception might be animated films that can appeal to families but have a message or humor equally able to appeal to adults (The Incredibles, Up, Inside Out, etc.).

We'll never have another The Godfather or Citizen Kane ever again.

 

[HFCS]

My uncle is a screenwriter and had a similar experience on a project he was adding dialogue to. He had a similar experience where he was not respectful of peoples time and rude.

I have word that Brian Cranston is a good dude.

I think the list ends there.

People that constantly do things for high levels attention tend to be a mess. Look no further than awards shows.

I work on a lot of licensed products that sometimes need final approval of “talent” but I suspect it’s more their agent/agency who is wonderful, indifferent or difficult.

The only “famous” person I worked with directly and hands on was Guillermo Del Toro and he was really cool, no different than any cool fan or collector.

I’ve had products get cancelled because an actor didn’t approve of their likeness but I don’t think J Law or Sco Jo are actually sitting there reviewing their own action figure toys.