Oscar Predictions for Tonight...

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Weird take. A guy told a joke about a guys woman. Other guy took offense, tempers flared, words and a blow were exchanged. Same thing that happened countless times in the small Iowa town I grew up in and then at Ames. Normal stuff.

You come here and a few people are whining and going on about how this was all about “Hollywood elites” and “egomaniacs?” Huh? Cmon man, this is a down to earth, normal interaction you’d see in working class America. The setting of it at a swanky award show on TV is why it stands out. I’d say that was opposite of Hollywood elitism, it was a visceral reaction from an angry dude losing his cool. I think most of the people clutching their pearls about it are just searching for an excuse to whine or make some lame political point.

There are two big celebs I’ve heard normal working Joes in the industry complain about working with/for/around. Ellen and Will Smith. Take it for what you will.
 
The late 60's were prime Paul Newman/Dustin Hoffman/Robert Redford. There was plenty of non cheesy acting to compare it to.

Most of Hoffman's best-known stuff (Straw Dogs, All the President's Men, Marathon Man, Kramer vs. Kramer, etc.) are in the 1970s with the exception of The Graduate (and he's fine but not exceptional in that) and Midnight Cowboy (which was 1969... same year as Wayne winning Best Actor in True Grit).

You have a good case with Newman. Cool Hand Luke was 1967 and Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid was 1969 along with Redford. Redford is like Hoffman... more of a 1970s creature.

You might be able to throw Eastwood in there depending on what you think of the Leone westerns. But he wasn't nominated for an Academy Award until 1976 for The Outlaw Josie Wales. There's definitely a transition from "cheesy" Old Hollywood acting to a more naturalistic style in the late 1960s/early 1970s.

Judge Heston by the latter and he's fine/even great. By the latter he's overwrought.
 
Just to give you a stronger counterargument against my point --

Films just aren't central to cultural life as they used to be. Too much competition -- prestige television, streaming services, documentaries, podcasts, videogames, etc. -- and a Hollywood business model too dependent on tentpole effects movies and appealing to overseas/Chinese audiences to put forth mature, adult fare as the core of their business. The one exception might be animated films that can appeal to families but have a message or humor equally able to appeal to adults (The Incredibles, Up, Inside Out, etc.).

We'll never have another The Godfather or Citizen Kane ever again.
I don't disagree.

We host Thanksgiving every year and my annual tradition is having The Godfather on while prepping the food. Love it.
 
There are two big celebs I’ve heard normal working Joes in the industry complain about working with/for/around. Ellen and Will Smith. Take it for what you will.

Reminds me of this --

One of my high school teacher's sons is a trainer for the Minnesota Timberwolves. He used to come back and volunteer at some school events, and I asked him who were the most disliked guys in the NBA.

He told me without hesitation...

"On the T-Wolves? Ken Love. Prima donna. League-wide? Kobe. His own universe of *******. Guys hate him."
 
I didn't see anything after the altercation; did Chris Rock make any jokes at Will Smith's expense after it?
I think he should've leaned into it way harder, then had security at the ready. Probably not something the Academy would want for a guy who was almost certainly going to win though.

- Will Smith everyone, this will the pinnacle of his career and it'll be a pretty big hit tomorrow morning.
- How was Will Smith ever cast as Mohammed Ali? With a right like that, he should've never been an option.
- I know how the alien in Independence Day feels.
 
I didn't see anything after the altercation; did Chris Rock make any jokes at Will Smith's expense after it?
I think he should've leaned into it way harder, then had security at the ready. Probably not something the Academy would want for a guy who was almost certainly going to win though.

- Will Smith everyone, this will the pinnacle of his career and it'll be a pretty big hit tomorrow morning.
- How was Will Smith ever cast as Mohammed Ali? With a right like that, he should've never been an option.
- I know how the alien in Independence Day feels.

There was a pretty clear point when Smith is yelling after the smack where Rock starts to say something and catches himself. Seemed like he was going to lay into him and decided to stop.
 
I didn't see anything after the altercation; did Chris Rock make any jokes at Will Smith's expense after it?
I think he should've leaned into it way harder, then had security at the ready. Probably not something the Academy would want for a guy who was almost certainly going to win though.

- Will Smith everyone, this will the pinnacle of his career and it'll be a pretty big hit tomorrow morning.
- How was Will Smith ever cast as Mohammed Ali? With a right like that, he should've never been an option.
- I know how the alien in Independence Day feels.
When Will stood up again

 
Just to throw together a brief alphabetical list of my favorite sci-fi films...

2001
A New Hope
Alien
Aliens
Blade Runner
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Dune
The Empire Strikes Back
Forbidden Planet
Interstellar
Jurassic Park
Planet of the Apes
Starship Troopers
The Terminator
Terminator 2
The Thing
The Wrath of Khan


I'm sure they won a pile of technical awards, but best picture/director/actor/actress?

Two were nominated for best picture (A New Hope and Dune) and neither won.

Four directors were nominated for best director but none won.

Kubrick for 2001: A Space Odyssey
Lucas for A New Hope
Spielberg for Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Villeneuve for Dune

Kubrick lost to My Fair Lady, which nobody remembers or watches anymore. Lucas and Spielberg lost to Woody Allen and Annie Hall, which is remembered but hardly foundational like A New Hope. And Villeneuve lost to a film that so far has a box office of less then $500,000 according to Wikipedia.

No nominees for Best Actor. Only one for Best Supporting Actor (Alec Guinness in A New Hope). I can't find *any* for an actress. They didn't even nominate Amy Adams for Arrival.

None of these deserved any recognition?

Keir Dullea (lead) in 2001: A Space Odyssey?
Sigourney Weaver (lead) in Alien or Aliens?
Rutger Hauer (supporting) in Blade Runner?
Matthew McConeghay, Jessica Chastain, or Anne Hathaway in Interstellar?
Jeff Goldbum or Richard Attenborough (supporting) in Jurassic Park?
Charlton Heston (lead) or Maurice Evans (supporting) in Planet of the Apes?
Kurt Russell (lead) in The Thing?
Leonard Nimoy or Ricardo Montalbán (supporting) in The Wrath of Khan?

All those performances are far more remembered than 90% of those on the Wikipedia lists.
Toni Collette in Hereditary. An hour and 30 minutes watching her slowly go bat **** crazy
 
Toni Collette in Hereditary. An hour and 30 minutes watching her slowly go bat **** crazy

Is that sci-fi or horror, though?

I know the two can blend to some degree (e.g., Alien or Jurassic Park or The Thing).

Heck, 2001: A Space Odyssey has horror elements. HAL is rather unnerving.

You won't find any disagreement from me that horror is another genre the Academy disrespects.

Get Out should have won Best Picture a few years ago.
 
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Not sure if it's been mentioned already about last night but whoever decided to put 30 backup dancers on stage during In Memoriam to completely distract from the individuals being honored should be fired.
 
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I'm guessing jealousy is pretty rampant even in agreed upon open relationships, especially when you throw in a massive ego like that into the mix.

I know of some folks in small town Iowa who created a swingers club among friends/neighbors.

Shockingly it didn't go so well.
 
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There was a pretty clear point when Smith is yelling after the smack where Rock starts to say something and catches himself. Seemed like he was going to lay into him and decided to stop.

Yeah, I thought Rock handled it about as good as one could. I didn't realize she had a medical condition, so the original joke wasn't great. However, the reaction from Will was 10x what it should've been in my opinion.

I know a guy with alopecia and every single follicle of hair fell out, so her case seems pretty mind. I suppose that's the difference between a $100m net worth and $0.5M net work.
 
Is that sci-fi or horror, though?

I know the two can blend to some degree (e.g., Alien or Jurassic Park or The Thing).

Heck, 2001: A Space Odyssey has horror elements. HAL is rather unnerving.

You won't find any disagreement from me that horror is another genre the Academy disrespects.

Get Out should have won Best Picture a few years ago.
It's horror but it's the same way. The academy doesn't usually recognize the performances in horror.
 
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He slapped someone on live television in front of millions of people after a joke he was filmed laughing it. This was done all for show by an egomaniac in a crowd full of similar egomaniacs. Then they all cheered for him while he blabbered on about some mysterious calling from God that apparently involves slapfighting with Marty the Zebra. Just the way he walked up there and walked back shows he thought he was pretty tough ****, with an unprovoked open handed slap of a 5'9" dude in Tom Ford.

These people all suck.
He's just trying to prove to his wife that he isn't a cuck. You don't walk that far to open hand slap a dude.
 
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Not sure if it's been mentioned already about last night but whoever decided to put 30 backup dancers on stage during In Memoriam to completely distract from the individuals being honored should be fired.

I WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT WHEN IT HAPPENED!

Every other year or so the producers decide to add a live performance during the In Memoriam, which would be fine - except then they keep showing the singer and leaving out some of the video tributes. Or like last night, drawing attention away and actually obscuring some of the names on the screen. It’s the last time some of these people will have their names mentioned in public, stop disrespecting them with cheesy musical performances.

I don’t remember the first time some producer decided to do this - for years and years it was only the video montage of all the pictures and names with just the orchestra playing, and that’s all it needs to be. But no, let’s have people singing (and now dancing!) and ask viewers to go online to see the whole In Memoriam.

It’s always been a pet peeve of mine. It’s incredibly disrespectful and I hate it.
 
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