*** Official Iowa vs IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

[IsUaClone2]

I'm not sure why you're dying on this hill and then pushing so hard against something that quite easily shows a better ball handler.

Gilbert's really good but I don't see anything unique about his handles. When he slows things down he's very good in traffic.

I'd say Lipsey has better handles. Maybe Pav.

Horton, Niang, and Matt Thomas come to mind. I'd probably find more if I spent more than 1 minute on it.

Pssst...Haliburton?

 

[HFCS]

If that's the criteria then Monte is the all time king.

Monte is most secure ball handler I’ve seen at any level including NBA. He might be a fringe starter but any team would want that off the bench as long as he’s in his physical best shape/age.

Tinsley was probably most skilled and creative ball handler as a cyclone but took risks both dribbling and passing. Taking risks doesn’t mean he couldn’t dribble out if his mind.

Hali’s magic is in his vision and passing. He is next level passer in the way Magic, Jokic, Bird and a few others have been. Doncic has it too in today’s game. It was obvious immediately when he set ISU single game assist record so early.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Monte is most secure ball handler I’ve seen at any level including NBA. He might be a fringe starter but any team would want that off the bench as long as he’s in his physical best shape/age.

Tinsley was probably most skilled and creative ball handler as a cyclone but took risks both dribbling and passing. Taking risks doesn’t mean he couldn’t dribble out if his mind.

Hali’s magic is in his vision and passing. He is next level passer in the way Magic, Jokic, Bird and a few others have been. Doncic has it too in today’s game. It was obvious immediately when he set ISU single game assist record so early.

Yes to what you say about Hali but it's also his range and speed.

 

[HFCS]

Yes to what you say about Hali but it's also his range and speed.

Yeah he has the whole package. Just mean the truly unique part is his passing vision. Lots of NBA players have his length and athleticism (or greater athleticism).

Maybe one or two players a decade come along that can see the game and pass like him. Jokic is that good. Doncic is pretty close and creative. After that you have to really go back in history. He's a better passer than elite bulk #s assist guys like Kidd and LeBron in my opinion. Trae Young and Harden get a lot of assists but it's because they utterly dominate the ball, neither of them is in Hali's league creatively and seeing the plays.

There was one assist in the tournament quarter finals where I was disappointed he threw the ball away into the stands for a turnover, it was actually a guy so out of his vision for a corner 3 I didn't even know the player was there watching on TV (hit an open 3). I think I've only seen maybe 5-6 players who can pass like that and I'm a lifer NBA junkie.

Pete Maravich is a little before my time but I watch highlights of him all the time because he saw the game that way. Jokic and Haliburton today...the way they hit guys for layups and dunks from almost 3/4 court is insane the same way.

 

[Cyforce]

Haliburton is going to have a great NBA career. Tinsley dominated the Big XII for 2 seasons. Anyone trying to compare them as college players especially their handle is delusional.

 

[83Clone]

"You need Caitlin" just made my top 4 favorite creative student chants for Iowa games, along with
"You can keep him"
"Exit only"
"Just like football"

 

[DrShip]

Tim Barnes over both

'Tricky' Ricky Morgan how quickly people forget

 

[Pope]

"You need Caitlin" just made my top 4 favorite creative student chants for Iowa games, along with
"You can keep him"
"Exit only"
"Just like football"

The "exit only" chant for Pierre Pierce has to be the greatest student chant ever.

 

[mark82]

We need to define handle here.

Does this definition from SportsLingo.com hit it pretty well?

1. This is a term used to describe a basketball player’s ball handling and dribbling skills. A player who is described as having excellent handles means they have excellent ball handling and dribbling skills.

I would add to this definition with "the ability to be closely guarded and keep the defender(s) from getting the ball from you." Tinsley loved the on-coming double team or anyone that would try to get up in his face above the key. That was just asking for an embarrassing spin move around you.

I agree he may have been a little loose with his passes at times, AND I will argue that Haliburton was a INCREDIBLE passer, but his dribbling skills were not Tinsley, level. I'm pretty sure I would put Stinson ahead of Haliburton in that regard even.

However, Haliburton as an overall floor leader and "put the ball in the right place, at the right time, to the "right guy" (when he had any) was right up there toward the top. He was Monte Morris level (maybe not A/T equal) but his floor general capabilities were up there. ALSO, he would have just as effective as Tinsley on those teams, maybe even more so. Just not by using his handle.

Haliburton was great, is having a better pro career already and didn't get all the accolades he should of becuase he didn't play on enough good teams for us. But he was a great assister, not the best dribbler. (The definition of handle.)

If dribbling skills are the definition of "handle", then Tinsley is the absolute best by a large margin. He made defenders look silly. It appeared that he had the ball on a string. The dribbling exhibition in Hilton against Colorado (I think it was Colorado) is something we may never experience again.

 

[brett108]

Go to YouTube and search Jamaal Tinsley Iowa State if you want your mind blown

The issue with Tinsley teams is the drop off in handle when he didn’t have the ball in his hands was huge. I don’t even want to speak of the year after the Hampton upset when we could barely get the ball up court.

 

[Cyballz]

The "exit only" chant for Pierre Pierce has to be the greatest student chant ever.

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