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***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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swarthmoreCY said:
There is no chance NC St is left out. If UNC is not in the ACC, neither will NC St.
Imo at some point UNC is in the BIG, NC St in the SEC.

The ACC has messed up a good situation more so than the Big 12.
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I wouldn't say "no chance" but it would take a spiral of unlikely scenarios. NC State left out of the 4 team Big Ten, SEC expansion to 16 each...10-15%. The ACC is still a pretty similar 10 team league after that. Then you need the Big 12 to take 2-6 teams to truly devastate it, those 2 teams could be 'not nc state' but 4 or 6 would have to be.

If 16 is truly the number it's like a draft with 10 spots available. NC State could be left out of 4 but if it's only 4 the ACC is still fine and it was the Big East that was completely eliminated, doubtful they're not in the first six and no chance they're not in the first 7-10 taken by the other 3 leagues.
 
HFCS said:
I wouldn't say "no chance" but it would take a spiral of unlikely scenarios. NC State left out of the 4 team Big Ten, SEC expansion to 16 each...10-15%. The ACC is still a pretty similar 10 team league after that. Then you need the Big 12 to take 2-6 teams to truly devastate it, those 2 teams could be 'not nc state' but 4 or 6 would have to be.

If 16 is truly the number it's like a draft with 10 spots available. NC State could be left out of 4 but if it's only 4 the ACC is still fine and it was the Big East that was completely eliminated, doubtful they're not in the first six and no chance they're not in the first 7-10 taken by the other 3 leagues.
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0% chance NC St is not one of the 6 schools selected to get the BIG and SEC up to 16, as that would depend on ND joining the BIG (not happening).
If by some chance they did get left out, they are in the Big 12, as the ACC would not be a "pretty similar" 10 team league.

NC St will not be left out.
 
DistrictCyclone said:
Let's just invite SMU and Houston and call it good. So tired of this.
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Might as well snag Drake and Grinnell if the B12 is going that route.

The "**** it, do whatever" strategy usually isn't put into effect when it comes to managing multi billion dollar conglomerations.
 
CYphyllis said:
Might as well snag Drake and Grinnell if the B12 is going that route.

The "**** it, do whatever" strategy usually isn't put into effect when it comes to managing multi billion dollar conglomerations.
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They're good football schools with decent academics.
 
DistrictCyclone said:
They're good football schools with decent academics.
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Houston went 5-7 in Conference USA and is considered a low rent commuter school. One flash in the pan season against weak competition doesn't make you a good football school.

SMU, also a part of Conference USA, went an astonishing 6-6. Hasn't been worth a damn since the death penalty.

They rate somewhere between #6 and #10 in popularity in their own state, a state in which the B12 already has 4 teams. If the B12 is looking at schools like Louisville, Cincy, etc and saying no thanks (which is a good decision on the B12's part), why in the hell would they add those two?
 
CYphyllis said:
Houston went 5-7 in Conference USA and is considered a low rent commuter school. One flash in the pan season against weak competition doesn't make you a good football school.

SMU, also a part of Conference USA, went an astonishing 6-6. Hasn't been worth a damn since the death penalty.

They rate somewhere between #6 and #10 in popularity in their own state, a state in which the B12 already has 4 teams. If the B12 is looking at schools like Louisville, Cincy, etc and saying no thanks (which is a good decision on the B12's part), why in the hell would they add those two?
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TCU wasn't always a powerhouse either. I think these schools are a good "fit" for the Big 12. Plus, they expand our footprint and would help recruiting.
 
HFCS said:
I wouldn't say "no chance" but it would take a spiral of unlikely scenarios. NC State left out of the 4 team Big Ten, SEC expansion to 16 each...10-15%. The ACC is still a pretty similar 10 team league after that. Then you need the Big 12 to take 2-6 teams to truly devastate it, those 2 teams could be 'not nc state' but 4 or 6 would have to be.

If 16 is truly the number it's like a draft with 10 spots available. NC State could be left out of 4 but if it's only 4 the ACC is still fine and it was the Big East that was completely eliminated, doubtful they're not in the first six and no chance they're not in the first 7-10 taken by the other 3 leagues.
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No, I don't think you understand the political dynamics in North Carolina, or the pull our alumni (yes "our" since I too am an NCSU alumnus) have. Under no circumstance would UNC leave with out a big 4 conference landing spot for NC State... if the ACC goes under. If there is no spot for "State", then UNC will be forced to stay put.



I think if UNC and NC State were split between two conferences, it would be UNC to the Big 10, and NC State to the SEC... but that would only happen if invites were extended to both at the same time. I could see State to the Big 12 too since it would be a good fit, academic-wise.

NC State is a good get. It's not a "traditional power", but they've been to 25 bowl games, have an awesome stadium that holds 57,600 people that is almost always filled, and have a pretty rabid fan base, along with 35K students. They also have one of the top five most profitably basketball programs in the country. Most importantly, North Carolina has 9 million people in it with some major metro areas. On top of that, they're a land grant school that's a member of the AAU. They'll get picked up by someone... if the ACC explodes.

One last point, the ACC headquarters is in Greensboro, NC. The ACC tournament (BBall) is held there, along with the baseball tournaments, and just about any other sport's championship. The breakup of the ACC would hurt the Greensboro economy. That would have to be a consideration of the Board of Governors when they make a decision on whether or not UNC/State leave the conference - especially if they were the first dominoes.
 
DistrictCyclone said:
TCU wasn't always a powerhouse either. I think these schools are a good "fit" for the Big 12. Plus, they expand our footprint and would help recruiting.
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TCU performed at a high level for a decade before they got the invite.

Adding two schools that are actually already in the B12 footprint does the opposite of expanding said footprint.

Adding two more B12 options in the state of Texas would in fact hurt the recruiting for most B12 schools that look to grab B12 caliber players out of Texas.

I get the feeling you are just screwing with me at this point.
 
CYphyllis said:
TCU performed at a high level for a decade before they got the invite.

Adding two schools that are actually already in the B12 footprint does the opposite of expanding said footprint.

Adding two more B12 options in the state of Texas would in fact hurt the recruiting for most B12 schools that look to grab B12 caliber players out of Texas.

I get the feeling you are just screwing with me at this point.
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Ding ding ding!
 
colbycheese said:
No, I don't think you understand the political dynamics in North Carolina, or the pull our alumni (yes "our" since I too am an NCSU alumnus) have. Under no circumstance would UNC leave with out a big 4 conference landing spot for NC State... if the ACC goes under. If there is no spot for "State", then UNC will be forced to stay put.



I think if UNC and NC State were split between two conferences, it would be UNC to the Big 10, and NC State to the SEC... but that would only happen if invites were extended to both at the same time. I could see State to the Big 12 too since it would be a good fit, academic-wise.

NC State is a good get. It's not a "traditional power", but they've been to 25 bowl games, have an awesome stadium that holds 57,600 people that is almost always filled, and have a pretty rabid fan base, along with 35K students. They also have one of the top five most profitably basketball programs in the country. Most importantly, North Carolina has 9 million people in it with some major metro areas. On top of that, they're a land grant school that's a member of the AAU. They'll get picked up by someone... if the ACC explodes.

One last point, the ACC headquarters is in Greensboro, NC. The ACC tournament (BBall) is held there, along with the baseball tournaments, and just about any other sport's championship. The breakup of the ACC would hurt the Greensboro economy. That would have to be a consideration of the Board of Governors when they make a decision on whether or not UNC/State leave the conference - especially if they were the first dominoes.
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Then there's still a chance NC State is in a weaker ACC.

I do not buy that if the Big Ten and SEC expand to 16 and the Big 12 stays at 10, that it's AUTOMATIC that NC State is one of the four taken. They have a good shot, but by no means are they a slam dunk for either conference if the two biggies moving up to 16 is all that happens.

I'm not arguing it's "likely" they'd be left out but it's ridiculous for people to act like NC State is a Big Ten, SEC or 14 current teams ACC lock. There's nothing to guarantee that in the slightest.
 
I didn't realize until just this morning that Iowa State, Kansas, and University of Texas are the ONLY AAU schools in the Big XII(10). For some reason I had thought that KSU, and both OU and OSU were in the AAU group as well.

I was looking to see who the B1G's next choices would likely be since I've continued to read that Boston College would go with Georgia Tech. I was surprised to see that Boston College is not in that group, while Boston University is. Yet Florida State supposedly has some 10 year plan to gain AAU membership because it's so important to the B1G. WVU apparently is working toward AAU over a ten year plan as well, so that they'll be attractive to the B1G in 12 years when the Big12 GoR expires. Maybe the B1G ought to just take all the AAU Football Schools and have an AAU conference. The remaining available nine after Maryland and Rutgers are:

Duke (football?)
Georgia Tech
Iowa State
Kansas
Rice
Tulane
North Carolina
Texas
Pitt
Virginia
 
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boone7247 said:
Post #889 is pretty interesting take. Take it with salt but it is pretty interesting read.

***Conference Apocalypse Part IV: The NeverEnding Story - Page 18
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The info in that post aligns with what the WVU guys have recently been tweeting.

It's pretty obvious ESPN has made an orchestrated attempt to blow up the Big East as a football conference. The prime BE football schools have all migrated to the ACC, B12 and B10 with the exception of UConn and they will land somewhere, likely in the ACC. ESPN doesn't care about Cincy, USF and the rest of the new BE FB schools. They will let them go to another network.

ESPN is also behind the BE BB-only schools trying to dissolve the Big East. Once that is done, those BB-only schools (Nova, SHU, SJU, Providence, Marquette, Depaul, GT) will recreate the BE as a hoops-only conference and get a new contract from ESPN and likely poach top A10 programs/markets like Xavier, Dayton and SLU. They will not take on A-10 schools like GW, St Bona, etc.

Fox is migrating the Speed Channel to an all-sports network and will pay a premium to acquire content and crack the rabid Southeast CFB market. As suggested in that post, Fox wants FSU and, for some reason, Miami (and their sea of empty seats instead of Clemson).

The LHN/ESPN comments may be BS, but I find the rest of the post plausible.
 
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