I'm concerned about that big ISU-ISU matchup, or does the NCAA allow you to count the spring game?
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I'm concerned about that big ISU-ISU matchup, or does the NCAA allow you to count the spring game?
On the bright side it's a guaranteed win. If you're a glass half empty kind of person though it's a guaranteed loss.
I could see this happening. I think eventually CCGs are going to be glorified quarterfinals matchups with the winner getting an automatic bid to the four team playoff.
I figured, just couldn't pass up the low-hanging fruit. I hate the idea because that's basically two 9-team conferences that relationship for a title game a la the Sugar bowl or Rose bowl in 2014. If you only play a team once a decade you aren't in the same conference.
Why not merge with the PAC. Baylor and TCU (secular schools) would be screwed, but the other 8 in the Big 12 would be set. Three 20 team monstrosities.
This realignment story is interesting, but I don't get all the negative vibes from some people on this site. Some post information like the Big Ten is the best conference or the Big XII is the lesser of the big four. Maybe those posters are closet EIU fans, otherwise I don't get it.
Here's the deal, if you read between the lines. The Big XII, SEC, PAC, and Big Ten are the big four. This has probably been determined by media marketing experts, like it or not. The scenario to get down to just those four conferences is complex. How many teams each will have may be a bit up in the air, especially ten years down the road. You can probably assume, however, that each conference has to have the same number. The first hurdle is to eliminate any serious consideration of other conferences. The Big East is gone and now their working on elimination of the ACC. At one point, the ACC may have been considered to replace the Big XII, but that didn't happen. My guess is that the Big XII was more appealing for media related reasons.
The ACC (Carolina schools) is fighting to stave off the attack, but the attack isn't coming just from the Big Ten, its coming from all of the big four plus media. The Big XII and SEC will eventually get openly involved to pick up teams from the ACC. For one reason or another, the Big Ten was just chosen to spearhead the attack. My guess is they are the most motivated, after all, it was Delaney's dream to get to four superconferences.
Where does that leave Iowa State and the Big XII? We should be fine. The only real threat at this point is that the Carolina schools would be able to rally and somehow save the ACC. The odds don't seem to be in their favor.
What happens as we reach the end of the GOR? Who knows, but at least Iowa State has established itself in one of the big four. Besides, after some time with the new system, the discussion will probably be more focused on adding teams to conferences rather than dropping any.
Bottom line, the Big XII is every bit as fine a conference as any other. Some schools may look at a different conference as a better fit, but ultimately the Big XII is second to none. The money between the big four conferences is and will be close, especially once the Big XII completes their quest for a network of their own. With just 10 teams, it has to be difficult to have enough inventory. We hear this complaint out the Big Ten and that this was part of the reason to add Maryland and Rutgers.
Here's the deal, if you read between the lines. The Big XII, SEC, PAC, and Big Ten are the big four. This has probably been determined by media marketing experts, like it or not. The scenario to get down to just those four conferences is complex. How many teams each will have may be a bit up in the air, especially ten years down the road. You can probably assume, however, that each conference has to have the same number. The first hurdle is to eliminate any serious consideration of other conferences. The Big East is gone and now their working on elimination of the ACC. At one point, the ACC may have been considered to replace the Big XII, but that didn't happen. My guess is that the Big XII was more appealing for media related reasons.
The ACC (Carolina schools) is fighting to stave off the attack, but the attack isn't coming just from the Big Ten, its coming from all of the big four plus media. The Big XII and SEC will eventually get openly involved to pick up teams from the ACC. For one reason or another, the Big Ten was just chosen to spearhead the attack. My guess is they are the most motivated, after all, it was Delaney's dream to get to four superconferences.
Where does that leave Iowa State and the Big XII? We should be fine. The only real threat at this point is that the Carolina schools would be able to rally and somehow save the ACC. The odds don't seem to be in their favor.
What happens as we reach the end of the GOR? Who knows, but at least Iowa State has established itself in one of the big four. Besides, after some time with the new system, the discussion will probably be more focused on adding teams to conferences rather than dropping any.
Bottom line, the Big XII is every bit as fine a conference as any other. Some schools may look at a different conference as a better fit, but ultimately the Big XII is second to none. The money between the big four conferences is and will be close, especially once the Big XII completes their quest for a network of their own. With just 10 teams, it has to be difficult to have enough inventory. We hear this complaint out the Big Ten and that this was part of the reason to add Maryland and Rutgers.
Why stop in the 14-20 range? Why not have a 120+ team conference? We could call it NCAA Division 1 football.
ESPN probably wants to force ND into a league somewhere and take the independent option off the board for playoffs.
And they probably do not want Boise States and Kent States in any playoffs.
What if dogs fly? What if cats take over the world? What if the Big 12 adds FSU, Clemson, UNC, Pitt, UVa, and Ga Tech, starts a conference network? Will we go after Big 10 teams? Maybe get Arkansas?
I do not mean to make fun of your questions, but planning for that combination of very unlikely events is not making contingency plans, it is wasting time.
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Interesting reply to Tom Dienhart by a national writer. I think this GT things has legs.
Interesting reply to Tom Dienhart by a national writer. I think this GT things has legs.
If the 4/16 model is the plan (who really knows)...how can the Pac 12 have a realistic/legitimate road to 16? I would not support this but the best road to the Pac 12 getting to 16 would include some Big 12 schools and the Big 12 replacing/rebuilding with some of the ACC schools. I am not suggesting this or implying it will happen...just saying it seems difficult to imagine the Pac 12 finding 4 other schools that fit into that league (thinking mostly geographically).
I understand...but planning for nothing will likely get you that result! Nothing...being left with it. People are crazy if they really think Bowlsby is sitting in his office trying to figure out a way to remain at 10 (I like this league as it stands but it doesn't matter what I like or hope for)! The Big 12 does not control the biggest chip left (ND)...so we will have to react. If we are not planning for a number of contingencies then we will be left out. Just putting ideas out there or rehashing them...which is what we all are doing unless there is someone on this board who is really on the inside of the league office.
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The networks worked to implode the B12 via the pac 12. That failed. Now they are working the aholes of the ACC and BE to get to four super conferences minus those guys. Let's just get this over. We will have new rivalries and rescheduling of future football games so ESPN can have some entertainment value.
Also, why is it so unlikely that the ACC & Big 12 end up on equal footing at some point? If UNC/UV can keep the ACC together and if ND decides (against their dream scenario of being independent) it will join the ACC...it would be every bit as strong as the Big 12. That could happen...I hope it doesn't but it certainly could.
Yep...agree! I kind of enjoy all of this...but at the same time I am anxious to see the results!
? Not sure what you are implying...if I suggested something offensive I apologize. I was just posting my thoughts...sorry.
A Big 12/Pac12 semi-merger makes a lot of sense, at least in terms of easily splitting the conference into two divisions (a Pac 10 division and a Big 12 division)
I think the Big 10 will have to use 4 team pods (or 5 if they go to 20) as the conference doesn't lend itself to splitting the divisions in two very easily.
I think the Big 10 will have to use 4 team pods (or 5 if they go to 20) as the conference doesn't lend itself to splitting the divisions in two very easily.
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