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***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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Scruff said:
Like many others I love our 10 team set up. I think many 10 team conferences is better for the landscape of college football than for four 16 team conferences. With the 4 super-conferences there will be a fifth conference of teams that were unlucky in not making the cut, but are far superior to all the other FBS conferences. ISU is in danger of being left out, even if we feel secure right now.


B1G


Expansion based on Big Ten Network and number of tv sets they can force it into. As the richest conference they can have pretty much anybody they want and don’t need to be in a hurry as there is essentially no chance they are left behind. The reason they aren’t already to 16 is the outside chance that they can land Notre Dame despite Notre Dame’s continued lack of interest. When crunch time comes I imagine they’ll go for where ever they can get the most TVs.


SEC


SEC doesn’t need expansion and much like the B1G it can have who it wants. The triangle of Florida-Georgia-South Carolina is keeping it from getting the teams everyone else in the conference wants. There is no guarantee that they won’t change their minds when crunch time comes. Look for them to find football brands in states outside of their current states.


PAC


The west coast is pretty much safe from expansion because of geographic considerations. That being said, until they can get to Big 12 teams or are forced into taking small schools, I feel they are done expanding for the time being. Should something happen in the Big 12 I imagine they will be foaming at the mouth to get at our brand named schools.


ACC


The ACC just keeps surprising me at making all the smart moves. Right now it feels they are in danger of losing schools to the B1G, Big 12, and SEC, but all they really need to do is something like the Big 12’s Grant of Rights and those schools will start feeling secure. Their strategy right now isn’t to expand but to secure all the schools that they already have. If they do that, then it won’t be them left out of the super-conferences,


Big 12


Like I said I love our 10 team format. However, the college landscape seems determined to make it four 16 team super-conferences. I agree we shouldn’t add just anybody. I do think its in ISU’s best interest to make sure that if things do go to super-conferences that the Big 12 is one of those conferences. To me the best way to do that and not dilute the Big 12 name is to convince those football minded ACC schools that they would be better off in the Big 12. I would rather not wait and see what happens. If we wait, the ACC could secure its position. The GOR 13 years could come and go in no time flat. Then we could see our brand name schools jump ship. I do feel secure for the near future, but not for the long run. I feel like waiting to see what happens is like wait to see ISU left in the dust. I would much rather see Wake Forest and Duke join up with Cincinnati and South Florida than us.


I know everyone is convinced the Big 12 is safe, but I’m not so sure in the long run. Like I said we keep waiting on the B1G and SEC to disolve the ACC for us, but the B1G isn’t going to with the possibility of grabbing ND. The SEC could, but it has no reason to go beyond 14. This seems to be shaping up as an ACC vs Big 12 battle. Right now it feels the Big 12 is winning, but I don’t want to wait for the ACC to make any moves to get ahead of us. Go get one of their schools, just to prove we can. I’d feel much better about ISU’s long term future.
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We won't get 4 16 team conferences until either the ACC or Big12 collapses. I don't see the Big12 falling apart until the 13 years are up. No conference can take more than four so the remaining teams can retain the conference to fight legal battles.

If we stay put with 10, that will also allow the ACC to survive thus no 4 superconferences.

That creates another scenario. In the next ten years, this TV contract bubble could burst making the large conferences unstable. Perhaps we''ll see the desire to move back to 10-12 team conferences.
 
Who knows? Maybe the end game is really eight, 10-12 team conferences and the B1G is aiming for two of them. Big 12 AHEAD OF THE CURVE!
 
OSUnISU said:
This is exactly what concerns us on the Cowboy boards. Because OU & UT can go anywhere, we feel the rest of us are most vulnerable if the conference does not expand. Last I checked there are 10 schools in this conference, not just UT & OU. IMO, If KU left, the conference is toast and UT & OU would not be far behind.

Sorry to jump in on your board, but was curious what opinions the Cyclones had toward expansion or the lack of it.
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I think it's for the best that we don't expand right now. I don't think we would have gotten a team like florida state that would have added value to what each school is getting. Also the big 10 expanding doesn't concern me. We have a GOR that will keep us stable since it's all about money and no conference wants to have a team as deadweight. The Big 10 also uses a different revenue model then we do. They need to expand and add markets because it isn't about the quality of the team but how many tvs they bring. The big 12 makes money based on quality; who do TV networks want to show on TV. We shouldn't expand until we have a team like that and I don't think Louisville was that team.
 
Stormin said:
Not sure why some think KU is coveted by the Big Ten. Is it their powerhouse football team? The massive number of television sets in Kansas? If you are thinking basketball and television then North Carolina would be the target.
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Their olymopic sports...
 
Texas Pan-American to the WAC. Gonna send shockwaves through the Pac-12.
 
Is bigger better? This is what I go back and forth on and trying to think like a network. Quantity or quality? It has been deemed that the SEC and Big Twelve are the best two football conferences have they not?
 
Just reading an article about the realignment dominoes in some of the bottom feeder conferences.

Thought this was interesting
Conference USA will also announce on Thursday that Middle Tennessee State will join the conference. Sources told the Sun Sentinel that the conference also reached out to Western Kentucky and New Mexico State this week, agreeing, in principal, for those schools to join the league at a later date, most likely after another round of realignment.
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FAU pounces on conference realignment opportunity, jumps to Conference USA - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

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Sounds like a lot of these conferences have a queue ready to pull teams as necessary. Also sounds like this is the reason conferences like the Big East, Conference USA are at 14, so that they have some buffer.

Also saw an article that mentioned the Sun Belt has 6 FCS schools now in its queue. Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Jacksonville State, Liberty, Sam Houston State, and Lamar.

I wonder if this is the reason UNI to the MAC was getting a little chatter a few months ago. Maybe the MAC is trying to get their queue ready in case they lose a few. Sounds like LakeBison's ND State team is antsy to make the jump to the MAC. There are really few other options in or near the MAC's footprint in addition to NDSU: just UNI and Youngstown State.
 
cyman05 said:
Just reading an article about the realignment dominoes in some of the bottom feeder conferences.

Thought this was interesting
Conference USA will also announce on Thursday that Middle Tennessee State will join the conference. Sources told the Sun Sentinel that the conference also reached out to Western Kentucky and New Mexico State this week, agreeing, in principal, for those schools to join the league at a later date, most likely after another round of realignment.
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FAU pounces on conference realignment opportunity, jumps to Conference USA - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

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Sounds like a lot of these conferences have a queue ready to pull teams as necessary. Also sounds like this is the reason conferences like the Big East, Conference USA are at 14, so that they have some buffer.

Also saw an article that mentioned the Sun Belt has 6 FCS schools now in its queue. Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Jacksonville State, Liberty, Sam Houston State, and Lamar.

I wonder if this is the reason UNI to the MAC was getting a little chatter a few months ago. Maybe the MAC is trying to get their queue ready in case they lose a few. Sounds like LakeBison's ND State team is antsy to make the jump to the MAC. There are really few other options in or near the MAC's footprint in addition to NDSU: just UNI and Youngstown State.
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LaMar? Son of Le Mars? Holy mackeral, are they scaping the bottom of the barrel.
 
scyclonekid said:
Sorry I did not mean to repeat anything you said.
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No, it wasn't anything you did - I had this thread open before you replied to it, but went away for a few minutes before I typed up my reply. And by the time I actually did post, you and cyman05 had posted essentially what I was thinking about UNI maybe getting a look.

If there will be 6-8 football teams from current I-AA joining conferences, you'd have to think UNI would be clamoring to get a shot as well.
 
SIAP

Is CF Tuxedo Yoda's source? Tuxedo Yoda: The Cloak & Dagger side of Conference Realignment


Just got off the phone with an East Coast journalist who wanted to exchange info about conference realignment. He has solid connections at several ACC schools and gets information about other conferences. I let him know what I am hearing from my Austin source in the Texas Athletics Department......a nice little quid pro quo.

The highlights of my conversation with him that I can share:

* Just like I have heard from the Austin side of things, he is hearing it on the East Coast - the Big 12 and the ACC football schools are talking. Behind the scene arrangements are being made on how to help them with exit fees. The Big 12 is being generous. It would be a surprise to this journalist, and to me, if some current ACC schools aren't in the Big 12 when the 2014 season kicks off. Interestingly enough, while these schools are in a wait & see mode, they aren't waiting on finding out Maryland's exit fee. They are waiting on.....

*.....the Big 10. Every journalist on the East Coast has a different source telling them that the Big 10 will SOON add 2 more ACC schools. BC is being talked about but UNC, Ga Tech and UNC are the primary candidates. I'm sure that doesn't surprise you. What may surprise you is that Ga Tech may very well be on the top of the list. Who the Big 10 selects will have a trickle down effect on the SEC and the Big 12, regarding available teams, so things are in limbo for the moment....but it shouldn't last long.

* The most interesting aspect of this drama is how this is playing out at FSU. Not so much their communications with the Big 12 (intermediaries {rich alumni} are regularly used in roles like this to offer deniability to University Presidents and ADs) but the communication between FSU board members. Most public universities can take board meetings into executive session where no written record is kept. That makes talking about realignment rather easy. Not so with FSU.....the Sunshine Laws in the State of Florida prohibit this. In fact, if 2 board members discuss state business anywhere under any circumstance, there is a legal requirement for a written record. As you can imagine, college realignment talk between board members has to be carried out in interesting ways through creative back-channels to cover everyone's ***. We are talking some James Bond **** here. It takes a little longer for FSU to process information and to react because of these shenanigans, and this has consequences for many entities in realignment. FSU is the blue ribbon addition for the Big 12, and Clemson and Miami are likely to follow the lead of the Seminoles. We are all going to have to be patient.​
 
F5cy said:
If there will be 6-8 football teams from current I-AA joining conferences, you'd have to think UNI would be clamoring to get a shot as well.
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I don't think this is necessarily true. The Waterloo/Cedar Falls Courier ran a whole series about UNI athletics last summer. Because the University has a constant budget shortfall and the Regents would like each school to have their athletic programs in the black, one of the major topics has been what to do about football. Should they move to FBS, play FCS- non scholarship, or scrap the program together.

The University hired a firm to ***** these options and they came back and said Northern Iowa's best bet is to stay where they are. A move to FBS would result in a greater shortfall (more scholarships, travel, etc, etc), while getting rid of scholarship football or scrapping the program completely negates their broadcast and advertising contracts putting the athletic department into a tailspin. I don't really see the Regents signing off on a move to FBS. Rather, I think UNI is in a unique position to continue to be one of the best FCS schools in the country, especially if other power schools like NDSU and Appalachian St. decide to make the jump.
 
Everyone's said it a million times before, but I officially think it's a race to four 16-team conferences. I haven't been convinced of that until now. Sure it's all rumors, but with the 4-team playoff around the corner, and all the talks happening (supposedly), the writing feels on the wall. There's no reason the Big 10 and SEC would expand to 14 and stop. The only thing standing in the way are schools trying to be the prettiest girl at the dance: they all want the B1G. Except ND, who thought they could remain independent. So the B1G dropped it and added two more schools. Now here's the funny pickle, and I realize I'm talking out of my *** here:

The B1G probably wants FSU, Clemson, Miami, etc to accept invites to the Big 12, crumbling the ACC and forcing ND's hand. At the same time, nothing is happening because everyone's waiting to see what the B1G does next.
 
jboffer said:
The B1G probably wants FSU, Clemson, Miami, etc to accept invites to the Big 12, crumbling the ACC and forcing ND's hand. At the same time, nothing is happening because everyone's waiting to see what the B1G does next.
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ND may be the only school that cannot be bought- the only way they join the Big 10 is if all the major conferences refuse to schedule them. Even then they may try a schedule of Navy, AF, Army, and some MAC teams for a few years.
 
Mizzou must really like the SEC if they are turning down any looks from B1G. I mean, if your throwing the rumor out of Kansas, why not consider Missouri? Good medical school, AAU, Midwestern...supposedly delivers KC and St. Louis. And personally, I can't believe Mizzou wouldn't jump at the chance of joing the Big 10.

Maybe the Kansas rumor is to throw them off the scent of Missouri and UVA.
 
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