Official 2015 Hoiberg NBA Speculation Thread

[brentblum]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

A rare miss for Blum (still a big fan). I've read that same article seemingly a hundred times now around the interenet.

I've got a good buddy that is Mr. NBA...can't even stomach watching college basketball and you guessed it...he thinks Fred is a lock to leave for the NBA. I can't help but think NBA loving dudes seem to think Fred leaving is more a matter of when than college basketball guys.

I knew some wouldn't agree or like what I wrote. I'm not going to throw stuff out there just for kicks if I didn't believe what I say. I love Iowa State as much as you all and want the best for the good guys. I was just hoping to present a case that if Fred does ultimately leave, it may be best if he does it sooner rather than later. If that same thought has been presented before, I haven't seen it.

It's an emotional topic and I fully understand that, thanks all for reading and the discussion.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

And I'm sure this makes it a tougher decision for Fred than for Donovan or Stevens. I'm sure they both had an emotional connection with Florida and Butler, but it's not the lifelong connection that Fred has with Ames or ISU. If they want to come back to the college game, they would both have quality programs lined up at the door the minute they were available. Fred would too, but it's doubtful ISU would be one of the jobs available to him.

Seeing Fred in any other collegiate colors would break my heart. Forever.

 

[dtISU]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Dang it. I just put my nut cup away for the summer. Now it looks like I gotta go find it again.

Still haven't pounded out the dents from the UAB game...

Too soon?

 

[CyFan61]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I guess the media thinks it needs to create news, coming up with reasons for Fred to leave Iowa State. If Fred is so ultra competitive, how about dethroning kansas and winning 11 straight titles like bill self? How about getting to numerous Final Fours like Tom Izzo? How about establishing a lasting legacy like Bo Ryan?

I guess if Cael Sanderson can leave, so could Fred, but it would spiral the basketball program down the drain, just like Sanderson leaving did to the wrestling program. Just look at our history if you want to argue that.

Heaven forbid instead of the media drumming up reasons for Fred to leave, they would try to do a comprehensive interview that ask him address these "media" rumors and if they are hurting recruiting.

Blaming the media for these rumors is like burying your head in the sand. Do you really think they aren't trying to get Fred to talk on this? Fred could end every single one of these rumors with one tweet, but he hasn't done that. It's not on the media for reporting that (1) the Bulls want Fred and (2) Fred has not come out unequivocally about staying in Ames.

 

[Spam]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

If Fred leaves this year, we probably have the best shot at attracting the most high caliber coach we possibly can-- given how stacked we are next year.

Fred cares about ISU, and I would think he would want us to get the best possible coach to replace him. Which is why he would leave at a time when the program is at a peak and the team is loaded. And that's why I'm a bit worried.

 

[laminak]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Wait, you take a NBA job that tells you who to hire as assistants?

Not to mention, the management already figured out which assistants will be returning or not, regardless of the Bulls' season, and will have other quiet back-door deals with assistants like they have with Fred so Fred cannot hire MA in any capacity? Everyone knows but the Chicago media?

 

[Spam]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Blaming the media for these rumors is like burying your head in the sand. Do you really think they aren't trying to get Fred to talk on this? Fred could end every single one of these rumors with one tweet, but he hasn't done that. It's not on the media for reporting that (1) the Bulls want Fred and (2) Fred has not come out unequivocally about staying in Ames.

The strongest comment Fred has made when asked if he is going to be ISU coach next year is "planning on it...."

And that's not a very strong comment.

 

[sigh]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

This is silly. We just had the best 4 years in our history and you think the new coach will be better? I'd take another 5 years of Fred's supposedly bad defense and rebounding over ANY other coach. Easily.

I didn't say that, sorry for the confusion if you thought so. And, yeah absolutely agree with you, I'd take coach Holberg for a lifetime without any changes. I just think if we do end up with new head next year I personally wouldn't mind an emphasis on D and rebounding. No way do I think the new coach will be better as well, good lord.

 

[cycloneworld]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

If Fred leaves this year, we probably have the best shot at attracting the most high caliber coach we possibly can-- given how stacked we are next year.

Fred cares about ISU, and I would think he would want us to get the best possible coach to replace him. Which is why he would leave at a time when the program is at a peak and the team is loaded. And that's why I'm a bit worried.

He does love ISU but why leave when you've been working your *** off for 5 years to get to this coming year? Selfishly, wouldn't you want to stay at see that hard work through?

Fred isn't as selfless as you make him out to be. He is almost solely responsible for ISU's rise...why leave when you could potentially end KU's streak and have a shot to go as deep as any ISU team ever in the NCAA tournament? Especially when another NBA opportunity or two will be there next year...

 

[jsb]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

"Hey Fred, Gar here. We're excited to have you join us in Chicago. I've lined up your assistant coaches for you already so you don't have to worry about it. I've also drawn up some plays for you to use. And I'll be paging you during games when you should call timeout."

Not my point. Matt is a recruiter. No need for that on an nba team. I have no doubt that Fred would hire Matt for some role with the Bulls. But maybe not as an addistant at first. So maybe Matt still wants to be an assistant and that was part of the reason he left.

 

[laminak]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

The strongest comment Fred has made when asked if he is going to be ISU coach next year is "planning on it...."

And that's not a very strong comment.

Would you rather he state, "he's firmly entrenched in Ames?"

 

[Dandy]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

You know you wrote an article that brings out the page clicks when people with long membership times and low post counts are coming out of the woodwork to give their opinion.

 

[Cyientist]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

He does love ISU but why leave when you've been working your *** off for 5 years to get to this coming year? Selfishly, wouldn't you want to stay at see that hard work through?

Fred isn't as selfless as you make him out to be. He is almost solely responsible for ISU's rise...why leave when you could potentially end KU's streak and have a shot to go as deep as any ISU team ever in the NCAA tournament? Especially when another NBA opportunity or two will be there next year...

Yeah, but timing in the NBA can make or break a career. There aren't that many openings with a championship caliber roster available. Let alone in a place that you have connections with.

 

[acgclone]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Yeah, but timing in the NBA can make or break a career. There aren't that many openings with a championship caliber roster available. Let alone in a place that you have connections with.

Agreed. If the Bulls job comes open soon, there will probably never be a better window to be their coach.

 

[cyclonedave25]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Yeah, but timing in the NBA can make or break a career. There aren't that many openings with a championship caliber roster available. Let alone in a place that you have connections with.

Same can be said for ISU.
How often does ISU have a roster this stacked with a legit chance at a National Title or Final Four come around? And Fred's going to leave that behind? A place he loves and grew up at?
Come on...

 

[Psiclone]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Blaming the media for these rumors is like burying your head in the sand. Do you really think they aren't trying to get Fred to talk on this? Fred could end every single one of these rumors with one tweet, but he hasn't done that. It's not on the media for reporting that (1) the Bulls want Fred and (2) Fred has not come out unequivocally about staying in Ames.

Agree. I've also posted before that Fred needs to come out and say he will be here next year. Not saying so unequivocally is not good for recruiting as other schools are probably using this against us. If he is definitely staying, why would he not come right out and say it vs. "planning on it?" Whether the head coach of the programming that is recruiting you is going to be there when the season starts has to be a factor in the recruit's decision.

 

[HornacekFan1414]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Seeing Fred in any other collegiate colors would break my heart. Forever.

Dear easy Fred would not leave for another college team. He loves ISU too much and knows what that would do to our fanbase. NBA, another story ( hence the much smaller buyout clause in his contract). I stated earlier and will say it again, I think Fred would want to leave with the team poised for a great year out of respect to the fans, as opposed to leaving with rebuilding year approaching. But maybe he stays for several years....we will find out soon enough

 

[Spam]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

He does love ISU but why leave when you've been working your *** off for 5 years to get to this coming year? Selfishly, wouldn't you want to stay at see that hard work through?

Fred isn't as selfless as you make him out to be. He is almost solely responsible for ISU's rise...why leave when you could potentially end KU's streak and have a shot to go as deep as any ISU team ever in the NCAA tournament? Especially when another NBA opportunity or two will be there next year...

We don't know if Fred necessarily sees his personal reward for his five years of hard work as the potential achievements of next year's team.

Perhaps he sees the personal reward for his last five years of hard work as being a dream job offer in the NBA.

 

[CyTwins]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Agree. I've also posted before that Fred needs to come out and say he will be here next year. Not saying so unequivocally is not good for recruiting as other schools are probably using this against us. If he is definitely staying, why would he not come right out and say it vs. "planning on it?" Whether the head coach of the programming that is recruiting you is going to be there when the season starts has to be a factor in the recruit's decision.

Why does he need to come out and say anything publicly? If you're worried about the recruiting aspect all he has to do is tell the recruit he will be here next year instead of making a statement about him coming back when his name isn't in the running for an open job anyways.

 

[cyclonedave25]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Do we even know for sure the Bulls would offer Hoiberg? What if the job opens up and they get some other more qualified candidates calling? Lets be real, how much of a home run hire is Hoiberg to the bulls? He's taken a college team to the Sweet 16 once. It's not like he's Billy Donovan with back to back NCAA championships and 4 Final Fours.
If I'm a diehard bulls fan, I would be rather let down with hiring Fred. (No offense to Fred at all, I think he's a great coach. But, the avg Bulls fan doesn't have cardinal and gold shades on like me)
It just seems like the Bulls job would attract some big time coaching names.

I get his relationship with Gar and everything, but from the sounds of things, it seems like most Bulls fans want the MGMT gone, not Thibs. It wouldn't help their case by hiring Fred over somebody else with a much better resume.

I'm just thinking out loud here.