Official 2015 Hoiberg NBA Speculation Thread

[CTTB78]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I love your writing Blum, but honestly there wasn't much there that hasn't been beaten to death already. ..........

Exactly. Until Fred actually says that the NBA is the next step, why are we trying to convince everyone that is what he is thinking? Leave the what if's to our competition.

 

[HornacekFan1414]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Weren't you a CFer who panicked due to the logic of:

Pollard not knowing anything about Fred, panicked, and hired TJ
TJ returns to Ames with a wink wink promise of replacing Fred when he leaves and not interviewing any other candidate
Lorenzo Romar (who apparently knows more than Pollard) made a vague comment about understanding why TJ returned to Ames as proof
Fred is leaving for a position not currently open, hasn't interviewed for, is the only candidate for, regardless of the Bulls' outcome, and welcomed with open arms by the Chicago media, fans, and players?
"See, it's all coming together!"

Sorry, most of us sane CFs know Fred will leave for the NBA someday, believe it should happen later than sooner, however understand it could happen sooner, however don't base it on conspiracy theories you and jsb were presenting.

you are missing one key thing there....I have zero panic, and all I said was things sure seem strange....if Fred leaves, I will be disappointed, but life will go on, as will ISU basketball, just probably with less excitement and success for awhile.....but the members here who speak in absolutes of Fred not leaving and criticize anyone who states that it seems like a possibility are the ones with panic......

 

[jsb]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

In my opinion, I hope he doesn't justify any move as trying to set up tj for success. That's just stupid. Once Fred leaves the national buzz Iowa state has will be gone. And the best Iowa state can hope for is a mad Fran level of success and national attention. I'd much rather he try and go out on top. And in no situation is it better for Iowa state for him to leave sooner rather than later. None. That point in the article is crazy and just trying to to make everyone happy when tj is the new coach. And I doubt that he will care with his large salary, but it will be pretty hard for tj to last long here no matter what team he is left with. Replacing an elite coach is hard enough. Replacing a legend is near impossible. See Wayne Morgan. There's a lot of buzz by people in the know and a lot of justification about him leaving that I think the rumors are not really rumors anymore.

 

[Rural]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

He was a commodity, but "Hot" is stretching it. So no he wasn't a hot commodity. That being said, anyone up for an NFL head gig was doing something right.

The biggest thing he had was an agent that knew they were dealing with rubes.

 

[CyTwins]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

In my opinion, I hope he doesn't justify any move as trying to set up tj for success. That's just stupid. Once Fred leaves the national buzz Iowa state has will be gone. And the best Iowa state can hope for is a mad Fran level of success and national attention. I'd much rather he try and go out on top. And in no situation is it better for Iowa state for him to leave sooner rather than later. None. That point in the article is crazy and just trying to to make everyone happy when tj is the new coach. And I doubt that he will care with his large salary, but it will be pretty hard for tj to last long here no matter what team he is left with. Replacing an elite coach is hard enough. Replacing a legend is near impossible. See Wayne Morgan. There's a lot of buzz by people in the know and a lot of justification about him leaving that I think the rumors are not really rumors anymore.

If Fred leaves I would put it at about a 1% chance TJ would be the next head coach and that might be too much

 

[acgclone]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

The biggest thing he had was an agent that knew they were dealing with rubes.

You can spin it how you want, but Ferentz had legit NFL interest from 2002-2004.

That doesn't mean he was guaranteed a job, but there were teams inquiring.

Also, his agent wisely parlayed that interest into better and better contracts, just as Fred's agent has been doing.

 

[mj4cy]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I just can't see it happening this year. Fred knows we have final 4 talent. He can't leave the fanbase with that loss can he?

 

[acgclone]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

If Fred leaves I would put it at about a 1% chance TJ would be the next head coach and that might be too much

If Fred left this year, I would put the odds over 50/50 that TJ is the interim coach in 2015/16. He would have to prove he could coach, with a really good talent base.

If he underwhelmed, he probably wouldn't be retained next year and if he took us to the sweet 16 or something, he would almost for sure get the job.

That's my $0.02

 

[Bigman38]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

why do other coaches like coach K stay at a school?

To become legends. Easier money is a nice side benefit but guys like that believe they'll be successful anywhere. How many current basketball coaches(NBA included) are more respected than Coach K, or Izzo?

 

[Cyclonin]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Oh good, I see we've turned to who our next coach will be.

 

[cycloneworld]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I guess I don't understand why leaving now is better than leaving next year. Fred has spent his first 5 years building to next season. He will have a legit shot at the Big 12 title and potentially a Top 5 or 10 ranking.

Maybe its better for Iowa State if he leaves this year. But I don't see how its better for Fred unless there is a specific NBA job he really wants that will open up this year.

 

[acody]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

He gone...

Most likely. He's been in the NBA both as a player and front office executive. I think he'd take the right NBA job and the Chicago Bulls would be very hard to turn down. Money, fan support and management relationships make it the perfect storm.

 

[cycloneworld]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

If Fred left this year, I would put the odds over 50/50 that TJ is the interim coach in 2015/16. He would have to prove he could coach, with a really good talent base.

If he underwhelmed, he probably wouldn't be retained next year and if he took us to the sweet 16 or something, he would almost for sure get the job.

That's my $0.02

I can't see any way we tag an interim coach to lead what could be one of the 5 best teams in ISU history. We would need to strike while the iron is red hot and get the best possible coach we could. The job will be infinitely more attractive this year with Top 10 talent returning than next year when we are likely replacing 5 starters.

 

[jsb]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

If Fred leaves I would put it at about a 1% chance TJ would be the next head coach and that might be too much

I hope you are right but I'd bet my mother that you are wrong. Hell, I think half the stuff being written on this site is being written to soften the blow if Fred does leave and tj is named head coach. It's not a bad thing to do either.

 

[Nazty]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

You forgot one more theory:

TJ is on the Cyclone Tailgate Tour with the rest of the coaches this week. He's on the tour so the fans can meet the new coach

Or TJ is on the tour as Fred is still recovering from surgery

 

[rochclone]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

In my opinion, I hope he doesn't justify any move as trying to set up tj for success. That's just stupid. Once Fred leaves the national buzz Iowa state has will be gone. And the best Iowa state can hope for is a mad Fran level of success and national attention. I'd much rather he try and go out on top. And in no situation is it better for Iowa state for him to leave sooner rather than later. None. That point in the article is crazy and just trying to to make everyone happy when tj is the new coach. And I doubt that he will care with his large salary, but it will be pretty hard for tj to last long here no matter what team he is left with. Replacing an elite coach is hard enough. Replacing a legend is near impossible. See Wayne Morgan. There's a lot of buzz by people in the know and a lot of justification about him leaving that I think the rumors are not really rumors anymore.

I think you are correct about the buzz increasing and I think a history lesson shows us that this type of move isn't unprecedented. Johnny Orr was near retirement in the early 90's and was "asked" by the AD & President to consider what was best for Iowa State and retire prior to Hoiberg's senior year. With Loren Meyer, Beechum, Michalik and Hoiberg that was a solid team as well. Yet the thought process was allowing the predecessor (Tim Floyd) and opportunity to enjoy some success with the senior-laden ball club (1995) and allow that success to springboard his recruiting in 1996.

I just think that Fred has too much of a connection to Georges to leave him prior to his senior year.

 

[cycub51]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I do not think him leaving now and the next coach having a ready made top 5 team matters at all to long term success of the next coach. Just look at Mizzou and Frank Haith. His best season by far and he's already gone.

 

[Sorg4Cy]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

If Fred leaves I would put it at about a 1% chance TJ would be the next head coach and that might be too much

This. NO WAY we leave a top 10 program in the hands of TJ. No offense meant but really. Think about it. IF, Fred knew there was any chance he would walk away from the best team yet do you really think he would talk TJ into coming back, to only be let go mid summer? Going back further, do you think Matt A walks away if Fred knows he would be leaving and taking Matty to the NBA with him? NO and NO!

So thanks for all the reasons why Fred may choose to leave but get real, it was all for the clicks.

One more thought. Why would anyone want the Bulls job. Thibs is a great coach and is being pushed outta town. I wouldn't touch that job if I had an ounce of integrity. Fred isn't going to the Bulls. IF, and this is a big IF, he goes to the NBA it will be to coach Minnesota and it wont be till the kids are out of school. PUT IT TO REST!

 

[jsb]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

I can't see any way we tag an interim coach to lead what could be one of the 5 best teams in ISU history. We would need to strike while the iron is red hot and get the best possible coach we could. The job will be infinitely more attractive this year with Top 10 talent returning than next year when we are likely replacing 5 starters.

The job won't be as attractive in June. But I agree is like to see them try to get someone good. But it'll be tj. He wouldn't have come back. And Jamie wouldn't have kept in close contact with him. And he wouldn't be going on that stupid tour this week. Mann has been on staff longer than tj has.

 

[Haverhill]

Re: BLUM: The Mayor's dilemma

Or TJ is on the tour as Fred is still recovering from surgery

Far too logical.