Nick Noskowiak

[Rhoadhoused]

Texas:

PG's Felix (SR), Yancy (JR), 2 offers to 5 star 2016 PG's
SG's Holland (SR), 2 4 star FR signed for 2015

Wisky:

PG: Koenig (JR)
SG: Multiple upper classmen, Brent Prizil 4 star FR

OSU:

PG newberry (SR), Stevie Clark (JR), 4 star #29 FR Juwan Evans, 3 top 100 2016 offers out
SG: Phil Forte (SR), Melvin Frazier 4 star FR, 3 top 100 2016 offers our including Terrance Ferguson

Maryland:

PG: signed JUCO JR Jaylen Brantley, 2016 top 100 pg anthony cowan signed
SG: 4 star top 100's melo trimble and Dion Wiley (SO's), Malik Ellison 3 star signed (FR), 3 top 100 2016 offers out

MN I already covered pretty much, they would really be the only team out of these 5 that I could see would be as desperate for a guard as we are and make geographical sense and have any prior relationship with NN. Wisky would seem to make sense in a vacuum but the Bo Ryan factor makes this one unrealistic and they have more need at forward. Bo Ryan still RS's kids ffs.

Texas, OSU and Maryland make no sense and they don't really have any need at PG or SG. And once again that's not to mention that NN could just flat out not want to go to any of these places and wants to come to ISU (and possibly has all along) which is just as logical as anything you've put out there tonight. You're discounting of mutual interest is really where you went wrong here imo.

Can't say I agree with these assessments minus Maryland. Although I do appreciate a post with some substance and evidence backing it up. Just because there is a starter on a team for this year doesn't mean that team wants to turn down the #75 prospect in America.

And, AGAIN, there were two months where ISU was not recruiting NN. So him being dead set on ISU and ignoring other schools for ISU makes no sense because we weren't recruiting him until like 3 weeks ago.

And maybe I am making an assumption there are 4 or 5 schools in the nation NN would rather attend than USC for basketball. That is my speculation and maybe USC was his #2 dream school after ISU and he was just waiting for TJ to get hired by ISU and everything. If that is what happened I concede.

And I didn't even get in to the importance of banking scholarships, 5th years, and not immediately eligible transfers. If that doesn't answer the question of why every school in the nation isn't beating down the door for NN then there's nothing left to do but hope that Rhoadhoused wakes up sober tomorrow and stays that way.

And my whole point this whole time is that there are 60+ schools that you would think would be attractive to NN. Of those 60, there has to be 10 that would be interested in a player of his caliber, if he was that good.

Texas:

Felix is going to be a SR and averaged 8.7 ppg and 2 assists last year. You're turning down the #12 PG because of that? Just because of one year of Felix?

Noskowiak would be about 10 spots better than their best recruit, who signed under Rick Barnes. He is a PG but I think Noskowiak would fit under a combo guard role. They certainly have scholarships and are under a new regime.

Maryland:

Not going to lie Anthony Cowan did not show up when I looked at their class so I agree that that's probably notthe best fit since they have a top PG signed already. I can concede that, my mistake. They seemed to have a spot when I didn't know he existed....

Wisconsin: I know is not interested. But they don't have any PGs signed this year. Didn't sign one last year. Signed Koenig the year before. He'll be a JR, but it would make sense to not let an elite player in your home state go because you have one other recruit there 2 classes ahead of him. No different than Monte Morris and ISU.

OSU: How you could possibly act like OSU wouldn't take NN is beyond me. They have one PG commit who is ranked highly but their only other commit is an unranked PF.

Forte will be a SR, Hickey graduates, Newberry will be a SR, Stevie Clark isn't even on their roster anymore, Melvin Frasier is not committed to them and doesn't have them on his list on rivals.

Again, one SR and one recruit should not preclude you from taking a top talent combo guard.



I think I understand why we disagree so much now. If you view any team with an upperclassman PG as having no need for a top 80/100 player, that makes sense. I think teams are still very interested in players of that talent level even if they have upperclassmen there.

I will give you Maryland though.

Here's a team that has NO SHOT at wanting him:

PG- They have a JR who might be an AA next year. Plays over 30 minutes a game. No chance for immediate PT
SG-
1. They have a SR who will be in his 3rd year starting, and a new SO transfer coming in expecting big minutes at the SG spot, and he also has played some point in the past.
2. Their highest ranked recruit in the past 5 years out of high school is a 6'4 shooting guard who is only a JR and stands to play major minutes.
3. SG/Wing- They have a former top 40 ranked high school prospect that plays on the wing to compete for minutes as well, and he's only going to be a JR this year. I've seen some argue he is more of a SF/PG but I think he's pretty purely a wing, but 2s and 3s share a lot of minutes so I'll throw him in.

So I think we have very different definitions of the threshold a team needs to be at to accept an essentially free commit from the #75 player in the country, who can play 2 positions.


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[Doc]

So you guys are about to realize that you actually mostly agree with each other.

 

[GTO]

I heard Noskowiak disconnected his phone/email service for 2 months and that is why nobody recruited him during that time. Mystery solved.

 

[GetAwesome]

For those arriving late to this party and are thinking to yourself "tl;dr", in summary:

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[Rhoadhoused]

So you guys are about to realize that you actually mostly agree with each other.

Amazing what happens when people just stop yelling at me for not trusting Fred or hating NN and actually gave their own opinion with something behind it other than blind conjecture.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Neither am I.

I am confused why people use a guy who is a Custer level recruit to prop up a recruiting class and use it as a reason why we only need to sign role players for the next two years.

We need a role player for next year, the best freshman available to us to learn this year (NN) and two kids to build on for next year (Babb, player to be named later).

Custer left because he would be behind Monte until his junior or senior year (depending on whether Monte comes back), not because he wasn't good enough for our program. This kid has a chance to be the guy next year, or at least going into his junior season.

 

[Cydkar]

You all are completely missing it. Fred doesn't want Nick, TJ does. Since TJ is going to be the coach next year that's why we are recruiting him. duh.

On a serious note. I have figured out that a couple of guys on this board are brothers.

 

[IsUaClone2]

When two people disagree, it is impossible for both to be right but it is quite possible that they are both wrong.

Anybody hear about this Nick guy that is visiting us this weekend?

 

[Gunnerclone]

So you guys are about to realize that you actually mostly agree with each other.

Except he still won't just admit that NN wants to come to ISU and thats pretty obvious and the driving factor behind everything. I would say there is nothing more that would scare off potential suitors with no prior relationship than a super hard lean in late March. Not every team plays the game like we do.

So I guess my final answer to Rhoadhoused question of why isn't anyone else interested is because NN is a super hard ISU lean and only a school that can throw out SoCal on the table and has a history of being shady would even attempt to pry him away from us.

 

[ISUChippewa]

Sooo....has anyone heard anything about how NN's visit is going so far?

 

[Cyclonesince78]

You all are completely missing it. Fred doesn't want Nick, TJ does. Since TJ is going to be the coach next year that's why we are recruiting him. duh.

On a serious note. I have figured out that a couple of guys on this board are brothers.

Racist.

 

[Jacktronic]

Sooo....has anyone heard anything about how NN's visit is going so far?

Just starting today.

 

[CycloneWarrior]

On a serious note. I have figured out that a couple of guys on this board are brothers.

Clones21 and Tuco? No wait they're just the same person.

 

[jcisuclones]

We can knock on McDermott all we want but he was able to develop some nice post players.

Couldn't develop wins though :/

 

[IAStubborn]

Which is a perfectly logical opinion to hold and makes absolute sense. I agree it's very possible that we are getting that top 60 type guy with no competition if everything off the court is alright.

Hell, if you look at the thread about him I'm in there asking these same questions literally a year ago about why we don't have any interest in him. I wanted him offered and targeted. Why those other schools don't baffles me. I think it's a no brainer to take him. I just don't think it's safe to take 3 other role players with our scholarships and point to NN as the reason we will be ok. There certainly must be some risk there, even if it is a calculated one.

But most just want to be lazy and project the opinion that "I hate NN and think he sucks" onto me.

No you just derailed his thread on the weekend he is visiting generating nearly 100 posts about a question that is bugging you. It is what it is. He is our PG. Staff feels good about him, we know h him better and longer than other schools so I am comfortable with that assessment especially when they are being super diligent about chemistry. So....let it go.

 

[Redman97]

He's probably eating bacon and eggs right now. Or maybe a Belgian waffle and a cup of coffee.

 

[Dryburn]

You sure can tell it is the silly season.

I hope NN commits after this weekend. I don't know why some other schools may have backed off of him......and I really don't care. It's not like there were tons of other schools after most of our other recruits or transfers over the years. Hell, even Royce was only originally offered by Minnesota, iirc.

Recruiting is a crap shoot.....no matter the rankings, past demonstration of talent, or which schools are offering. It is up to the staff to find the people they think will fit with the program. No coach....on any team.....is going to be right 100 percent of the time.

The staff likes NN, and that is enough for me. If it is not enough for some of you.....then maybe you should try to get a job as one who evaluates high school talent, and then let us know how successful you were.

One thing I really like that I read about NN was his attitude about the opportunity he might have at ISU. He fully recognized how great it would be for him to spend at least a year behind Monte, one of the best pg's in the country and how valuable that could be to the development of his own game. IMHO, that is a smart player who understands what his role would be on this team, what it could mean for him, and accepts it.

This team does not need a lot for next year. It needs some decent players who can fill some roles, and who can give credible minutes while the stars are resting. The market is going to be limited as to players who are willing to accept those roles. Hopefully, the staff has identified those who they think fit best. At this point, why someone would not trust the judgement of this staff is beyond me.

 

[clonedude]

I think the main question is.... is NN an upgrade over Custer? I believe he is. Although I think they are pretty comparable.

I think NN is stronger and has a little bit better outside shot IMO. Other than that, I think they are pretty equal.

I don't really see NN getting a whole lot of playing time this year anyway. I think when Morris goes out, the point will be run by Cooke or Naz first before NN will get a chance. NN has to be patient this year and wait for his moment to shine, which will be the following years after next year.

 

[mjhavlo76]

I somewhat agree with you. There is no crystal ball when it comes to pedicting success with high school players transitioning to the Division 1 level. There are a lot of variables that take place for a player to be successful at the Division 1 level. Right system, is the player going to continue to work hard, staying healthy, etc... There were some very good 3 star athletes that came to Iowa State and were successful, ala Wes Johnson. I think Noskowiak has the potential to be a good player, but I wouldn't anoint him a star just yet.. I really disagree with the notion to use a scholarship to a player for "role" purposes only. Especially if he is going to be at a school for four years riding the bench not getting many minutes.

I think the main question is.... is NN an upgrade over Custer? I believe he is. Although I think they are pretty comparable.

I think NN is stronger and has a little bit better outside shot IMO. Other than that, I think they are pretty equal.

I don't really see NN getting a whole lot of playing time this year anyway. I think when Morris goes out, the point will be run by Cooke or Naz first before NN will get a chance. NN has to be patient this year and wait for his moment to shine, which will be the following years after next year.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Because we weren't even recruiting him at that point!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There were 2 months between his release and when we got back involved. What about that timeframe?

Only 7 days between Feb 10th and April 12th are dead periods. I think we got back involved around April 7th or so.

Aren't there MANY very obvious and more believable answers to your questions?

NN was/is a TJ recruit.
NN was not a MA recruit.
NN was close to ISU but committed to Marquette thus we couldn't recruit him.
ISU had MM and HC and CC and was being selective with players.
ISU doesn't need high profile transfers as we have a very veteran and established core.
MA left, TJ came in with different players and different relationships.
CC left, HC is surgically repaired and we have lots of open scholarships.
There are more than just 2 teams courting NN. Cal, VTech, USC, and others.
NN does not appear to be an "elite" recruit however ISU has exceeded expectations with kids who can develop, play their roles and be open to coaching.

I'm really struggling with your struggles. Do you really think recruiting is that transparent where you will know who has been in contact with NN? Who has expressed legitimate interest? What NN has told other programs?

Sometimes there isn't a conspiracy. The moon landing happened. 9-11 wasn't an inside job. Sometimes the real answers are just as basic and plain as many others have spelled out in this thread.