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Next year and Kyle Kempt

Having KK back for another season would be ideal. Now two QB's with playing time, I don't think this coaching staff will just automatically hand the keys to the car to KK - if Neb shows that he gives the team the best chance to win, then he will start.

I still think it is a long shot that he gets another season
 
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HFCS said:
I don't think many people are passionately for or against Zeb or Kempt starting...but I do think there are two VERY different schools of thought.

One thought is that we should start the players every snap that give us the best chance to win that day.

The other that we should start the players who can gain the most experience and use that experience to help us in the future. Assuming these players are at least capable at Big 12 level.

I side pretty strongly toward the first. I don't think it's crazy to think the other way though, especially if you think option A and B are only a fraction different. Some fans are projecting their desire for Zeb to grow and improve into convincing themselves he actually played better than KK this year, that's simply not true unless you make a bunch of excuses for one guy and don't allow them for the other.
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I'm going with winning the game 100% of the time. Unless my family is being held hostage and I have to throw the game.
 
Thank the Lord that CMC, the QB coach and OC decide who is out there at QB. This is the only position that draws such an emotional outcry as to who starts. As a coach, I'll take the game manager every time. I would rather decide the game with my runners, receivers, kicking game and defense than place it all on a strong armed QB who has not mastered consistent game management. Therefore, I'll go with a less talented experienced QB every time. Will I play the other guy some? Absolutely. Will the second string younger guy gain this management skill, yes. Don't forget bowl practices, spring ball, film sessions. Following year, we now have a more talented guy with much better game management skills. Then, we have another weapon that makes the Texas debacle, for example, a thing of the past. This position is just like the offensive line, a new OC, a new staff, a new airport [lol]. As long as trend is upward, we need to TRUST THE PROCESS!!! EXPERIENCE IS THE KEY FOR EVERYTHING!!!!! QB takes longer to develop into a strength.

Okay, there it is.....BLAST AWAY!
 
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HFCS said:
I don't think many people are passionately for or against Zeb or Kempt starting...but I do think there are two VERY different schools of thought.

One thought is that we should start the players every snap that give us the best chance to win that day.

The other that we should start the players who can gain the most experience and use that experience to help us in the future. Assuming these players are at least capable at Big 12 level.

I side pretty strongly toward the first. I don't think it's crazy to think the other way though, especially if you think option A and B are only a fraction different. Some fans are projecting their desire for Zeb to grow and improve into convincing themselves he actually played better than KK this year, that's simply not true unless you make a bunch of excuses for one guy and don't allow them for the other.
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I think I started to repond to this the other day and got distracted. You are right for the most part.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one QB to win a game now I’d say it depends on the game. Kept against a weaker offense because we won’t need a ton of points because our D will stop the other team even then we haven’t seen anything to suggest poor decision making from Noland. Against a team that has a good offense like an OSU or Memphis our d is good but we will still need to score. Then I’d go Zeb.

You don’t sacrifice a win to get experience but when there is debate you factor in how long they will be here especially in an exhibition.

Personally when it comes to game manager vs gunslinger I’d prefer a game manager. The issue is Kempt just isn’t that good. I love what he’s done this year and if he does play I hope he plays spectacular. The issue is the offense I really one diminsional when he plays. We can’t rely on him to be able to make the throws. I think he knows what throw he should make he just can’t do it. I think the injury has been way overplayed. Maybe I’m just missing it but we didn’t hear about an injury till after OSU. He wasn’t really good outside of the Oklahoma game. You can say what you want but we need to score more than 20 pts on offense to win most games even with our defense.

Let’s be honest about his performances against TCU, Tech, and WVU. Maybe he was hurt but why didn’t we hear about it? The offense is clearly more dynamic and powerful with Zeb. The question is do you trust him to not make mistakes as a freshmen.
 
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jkclone said:
I think I started to repond to this the other day and got distracted. You are right for the most part.

If I had a gun to my head and had to pick one QB to win a game now I’d say it depends on the game. Kept against a weaker offense because we won’t need a ton of points because our D will stop the other team even then we haven’t seen anything to suggest poor decision making from Noland. Against a team that has a good offense like an OSU or Memphis our d is good but we will still need to score. Then I’d go Zeb.

You don’t sacrifice a win to get experience but when there is debate you factor in how long they will be here especially in an exhibition.

Personally when it comes to game manager vs gunslinger I’d prefer a game manager. The issue is Kempt just isn’t that good. I love what he’s done this year and if he does play I hope he plays spectacular. The issue is the offense I really one diminsional when he plays. We can’t rely on him to be able to make the throws. I think he knows what throw he should make he just can’t do it. I think the injury has been way overplayed. Maybe I’m just missing it but we didn’t hear about an injury till after OSU. He wasn’t really good outside of the Oklahoma game. You can say what you want but we need to score more than 20 pts on offense to win most games even with our defense.

Let’s be honest about his performances against TCU, Tech, and WVU. Maybe he was hurt but why didn’t we hear about it? The offense is clearly more dynamic and powerful with Zeb. The question is do you trust him to not make mistakes as a freshmen.
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I'm just not seeing it. I get the 'in the future' potential but I'm not seeing it this year already.

Completions, yards, avg, TD/INT, QBR

Kempt:
Vs OU: 18/24, 343, 14.3, 3/0, 95.2
Vs KU: 13/20, 122, 6.1, 1/0, 57.2
Vs Tech: 22/32, 192, 6.0, 3/1, 83.6
Vs TCU: 21/35, 202, 5.8, 2/1, 49.2
Vs WVU: 27/40, 249, 6.2, 1/1, 55.7
Vs OSU: 12/18, 101, 5.6, 1/0, 54.5
VS BAY:
VS KSU: 24/36, 264, 7.3, 2/0, 71.1

Noland:
Vs OU:
Vs KU: 5/9, 90, 10.0, 0/0, 34.8
Vs Tech:
Vs TCU:
Vs WVU:
Vs OSU: 17/28, 263, 9.4, 0/1, 51.9
VS BAY: 14/28, 180, 6.4, 2/0, 72.4
Vs KSU:

Zeb's best performance has the same rating as Kempt playing against KSU in the last game. Baylor one of the worst defenses in college football and KSU one of the best in the Big 12.

The overall completion % difference of 67 for Kempt vs 55 for Noland is pretty big. Noland's average completion is .8 yards longer. To me that's not enough extra big hits to make up for 12% lower completions. QBR agrees with a 16 point gap. It's also hard to argue that Kempt doesn't go for the big hitters and big plays when he has more TD passes per completion. Kempt threw a TD every 16 passes, Zeb every 33. Maybe that just means he's been much better passing in the red zone, which also would really matter, but more TDs are scored per pass when he's letting the ball go.

I'll be happy with whatever the coaches think, but I think this staff has shown they play the best player. You saw it with DM suddenly getting a ton of snaps last year at running back even though he was the new guy. They play the best guy. If Noland starts I'm guessing he has been dazzling in the bowl practices because the body of evidence is when Kempt is healthy he's the best QB we've had in many seasons.
 
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HFCS said:
I'm just not seeing it. I get the 'in the future' potential but I'm not seeing it this year already.

Completions, yards, avg, TD/INT, QBR

Kempt:
Vs OU: 18/24, 343, 14.3, 3/0, 95.2
Vs KU: 13/20, 122, 6.1, 1/0, 57.2
Vs Tech: 22/32, 192, 6.0, 3/1, 83.6
Vs TCU: 21/35, 202, 5.8, 2/1, 49.2
Vs WVU: 27/40, 249, 6.2, 1/1, 55.7
Vs OSU: 12/18, 101, 5.6, 1/0, 54.5
VS BAY:
VS KSU: 24/36, 264, 7.3, 2/0, 71.1

Noland:
Vs OU:
Vs KU: 5/9, 90, 10.0, 0/0, 34.8
Vs Tech:
Vs TCU:
Vs WVU:
Vs OSU: 17/28, 263, 9.4, 0/1, 51.9
VS BAY: 14/28, 180, 6.4, 2/0, 72.4
Vs KSU:

Zeb's best performance has the same rating as Kempt playing against KSU in the last game. Baylor one of the worst defenses in college football and KSU one of the best in the Big 12.

The overall completion % difference of 67 for Kempt vs 55 for Noland is pretty big. Noland's average completion is .8 yards longer. To me that's not enough extra big hits to make up for 12% lower completions. QBR agrees with a 16 point gap. It's also hard to argue that Kempt doesn't go for the big hitters and big plays when he has more TD passes per completion. Kempt threw a TD every 16 passes, Zeb every 33. Maybe that just means he's been much better passing in the red zone, which also would really matter, but more TDs are scored per pass when he's letting the ball go.

I'll be happy with whatever the coaches think, but I think this staff has shown they play the best player. You saw it with DM suddenly getting a ton of snaps last year at running back even though he was the new guy. They play the best guy. If Noland starts I'm guessing he has been dazzling in the bowl practices because the body of evidence is when Kempt is healthy he's the best QB we've had in many seasons.
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I don’t have time to do a statistical analysis now but the biggest difference I see is just the flow of the offense. Kempts arm strength is not good. Outside of completion percentage and the OU game he has been just ok. His best game was against WVU and the offense was awful in the first half. The most points we scored with him was 24 against Tech and that had some short field in there.

I’d like to see someone find total offense when each plays. I’d imagine there’s a decent difference there. I don’t think teams respect Kempt throwing where they have to with Noland. That opens up the run a lot too.
 
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I would start Kempt, but we have ran the ball more and better with Noland because they respect his arm strength more. DM tore it up in the games Noland saw time.
 
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He doesn't need a huge arm.

And he has made plenty of midrange throws with good accuracy. I was watching games on cyclones.tv today.
 
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It’ll be interesting to see if our offense will be able to have success. Outside of the two games against the Oklahoma schools, it’s been mediocre despite having playmakers like Lazard and DM.
 
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KnappShack said:
Start Zeb. Bowl games are exhibitions and it's time to build the 2018 team.

Give Zeb the keys and let the chips fall. This season has been a springboard for 2018. Let's start it a little early
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A coach would have to be a complete DB to sit a healthy KK for the Bowl game.
 
FinalFourCy said:
It’ll be interesting to see if our offense will be able to have success. Outside of the two games against the Oklahoma schools, it’s been mediocre despite having playmakers like Lazard and DM.
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Agree if you're talking Big XII only, or with Kempt only, but we also had a great offensive output against Iowa and Akron.
 
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Sure. But if you'd rather have wins over a strong arm, then Kempt is the guy.

I am VERY confident in saying that this year wouldn't have turned out like it did with Park at QB.
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Park played 3 pretty good games. What happened between the Akron game and the Texas game is a mystery that will probably never be made public. A "healthy between the ears" Park was our most productive offense. If Kempt gets a 6th year I'm more than fine with him being our starter next year but I actually think Zeb will push him for the starting job. Kempt is a great game manager but he definitely has his limitations. IMO Zeb's ceiling is a lot higher but we still need a potential backup since Park is gone.
 
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