Montgomery and Thomas are gone

[Gunnerclone]

No wins is rock bottom.

Losing to UNI the first time should have been rock bottom. Should be an automatic termination without restitution clause in a contract for that.

 

[heitclone]

I'm not sure how I feel about this...

All I know is that losing Thomas is a BIG loss. There goes your number 2 running back, to be replaced probably by a freshman.

We had 2 freshman RB's last year....Thomas was a true frosh. He could have been solid eventually but he was a situational back.

 

[CyDude16]

So we had 30 signed, then 100 on schollies, lose twenty on schollies, and now need five more? Need a WRNL update.

There arent 100 schollies for football

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Lol Gunnerclone gunna Gunnerclone. Losing to D-IAA isn't uncommon anymore, and while I agree we should never be ok with paying a small team to come and kick our butts(NDSU) let's be real here. This is Iowa State, you know probably the 5th worst team of ALL TIME. We are the school that these little Giants are looking at and licking their lips. Now losing back to back D1AA games, yes I agree auto terminate, but that's context sensitve as well. NDSU is possibly the greatest dynasty in a long long time, and we are, well...

 

[ruxCYtable]

I feel like I let you guys down... I was just going to start a thread before this came out.

Heard through come people close to football players that about 20ish players have left or are leaving the program. TWENTY. Reasons why: Campbell to business like and staff about winning, not family oriented like CPR, coaches spending time on young guys and new recruits has been taken wrong way by older players, etc.

I fear these two are the first of many....

Remember the "Rule of 3." Boys exaggerate everything by three times: How many women they've slept with, how many beers they drank, how many boys are quitting the football team, etc.

20 really means 6-7, in which case we're already almost there.

 

[Wesley]

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...n-iowa-state-cyclones-matt-campbell/80009666/

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...n-iowa-state-cyclones-matt-campbell/80009666/

I won't pay for the rag. What's the jist? Is Campbell even interested in Mitch coming bacK?

 

[Wesley]

I won't pay for the rag. What's the jist? Is Campbell even interested in Mitch coming bacK?

Mitchell Meyers was lying in bed trying to sleep when he received a mysterious call around 10:30 p.m. on Nov. 29. Meyers, who was back home in The Woodlands, Texas, missed the call but checked his messages to hear a surprising voice: new Iowa State football coach Matt Campbell. Campbell made sure that Meyers, an Iowa State defensive lineman battling Hodgkin’s lymphoma, was the first player he reached out to when he arrived in Ames. “Just me introducing myself to him and extending anything that I could do or our new staff could do to help him out and wanted to make sure he knew he had a place on this football team,â€￾ Campbell said. Meyers, a defensive end for the Cyclones, sat out the 2015 season after he was diagnosed that February. He began his treatment — 12 rounds of chemotherapy — in Iowa before heading home to finish up.

 

[CycloneErik]

Rhoads did 6am winter workouts in the month or so leading up to spring break, two or three days a week. Plus lifting groups every day including some at 6am. After spring break, practices were twice a week around 4 (meetings around 2) and then late morning/early pm on Saturdays plus lifting groups every day. Fall practices all after school with lifting throughout the day to accommodate schedules. His staff also used class attendance checkers, I think for all freshmen, new team members, and anyone on in or close to having academic issues.

I don't think there was a rule about where you could sit or having to be there early (frankly, that's impossible sometimes with how classes are scheduled). Some student-athletes at the school I'm at now also have to sit in the front two rows, and not on the ends or in the corners. Front and center.

Sure they did.

 

[tolfbfan]

Well that sucks....
The older players need to understand they have to get talented young guys. You could be the best family man and mentor in the world but you need talent and recruiting is a very competitive and demanding world.

I don't buy for one second that this staff doesn't care. Now, they may of been gone allot recruiting which may be foreign to the cuurent players. The remaining players who workhard and buy into the program will be rewarded with respect and positive responses from this staff. Not caring is not a trait that anyone with an open mind can attribute to this staff. Sometimes it is just easier to blame others for your own shortcomings. Welcome to real college football.

 

[IAStubborn]

They aren't stupid. No P5 FB program would ever have a no tolerance policy for failed marijuana tests in 2016. That would be suicide.

If he "knew he was going to fail so he left" why are you are assuming it's pot.

 

[WastedTalent]

I don't buy for one second that this staff doesn't care. Now, they may of been gone allot recruiting which may be foreign to the cuurent players. The remaining players who workhard and buy into the program will be rewarded with respect and positive responses from this staff. Not caring is not a trait that anyone with an open mind can attribute to this staff. Sometimes it is just easier to blame others for your own shortcomings. Welcome to real college football.

If you know, what was Campbell's policy at Toledo on failed drug tests, specifically marijuana?

 

[IAStubborn]

If it's a couple, fine. If it's 12-15.....

Well we know it will be. It has to be we over signed by 14.

 

[Miniclone11]

If he "knew he was going to fail so he left" why are you are assuming it's pot.

Well what else could it be?

 

[tolfbfan]

Dude they aren't going anywhere. DM better hope he's graduating this spring or he's done playing football. Too bad abut JT think he had bright future and was solid...but the two positions im not too worried about are RB and WR. As a player you had to expect given 8 wins in last 3 years and CMC style that winter workouts and off season was going to be brutal..but if you hold on you might just find yourself with a shot to play at next level in future.

Call the workouts whatever you want to call them but my son did them for 5 years and it didn't kill him. In fact, it made him into one tough, strong, confident football player that expected successon the field and as he became an upperclassman demanded the same from others. One story. One workout at Toledo was difficult, to say the least, and one lineman who was alittle soft stopped running and fell down exhausted. The players encouraged him to gut it out. When he refused, a few of the seniors dragged him off the field and from what I heard were not complementing him during the process. Right now the staff needs to build player leadership and that doesn't happen overnight.

 

[ClonesTwentyOne]

If Montgomery is gone, I expect Lazard to have 80+ catches this year

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

If he "knew he was going to fail so he left" why are you are assuming it's pot.

Lets be real here, those drug tests are targeting marijuana and steroids. Most other drugs are out of your system in a couple of days. **** test is a huge bias towards marijuana. Now having said this, it could have been anything, I completely agree.

 

[IAStubborn]

A lot. It shows It can be done. Frankly #44 is only a little bit better than #59 and when you count 30 signees, it is okay.

You are overstating. 44 is a lot better than 59 and 29 were counted if you count Catalina at #30 it would be higher. Plus with diminishing returns for each player up to 25 Class size in comparing the higher Rhoads classes is actually not relevant since he usually had around 25. And 59 was his best.

 

[tolfbfan]

I also wonder how much of it is related to the strict rules related to practice and class. 6am practice. Sit in the front 2 rows of class. Show up for class 10 minutes early. Coach Campbell said these things in his recruitment day press conference.

Trust me this is not lip service. Those who break these rules will learn quickly that it is not worth it.

 

[BikeSkiClone]

Sure they did.

So guys running extra 5am workouts for missing class just self-reported their absences? It wasn't every class or every player and not much to keep them from sleeping or leaving early, but there were checks and punishment when caught. I remember a few times they'd make a guy's entire position group run if he had multiple offenses in a semester.

Personally, I like how Mike Sherman conducted his locker room and team accountability at A&M:

One of the best things I did was break our locker room down into 6 battalions. The seniors drafted players to their battalions (locker room section). Battalions are about accountability. As a player, you are accountable to yourself, but you are also accountable to your battalion. When a player steps out of line, the player is punished, usually a difficult conditioning run, but if it happens a second time, the entire battalion runs. Stepping out of line usually revolved about class and study hall attendance, but it wasn’t limited to that. The seniors who understood the purpose of battalions drafted not based upon talent, but based upon accountability. One of our very best players talent wise was the last player drafted this past year. He had no idea his teammates viewed him this way. He was embarrassed and disappointed that he was viewed this way. It changed him instantly and dramatically. He didn’t want to be that guy.

The lesson I learned about battalions is that players will sometimes let themselves down, but very few are willing to let their team mates down.