I did notice that after the Cotton-Moya flag early, ISU players did not go as aggressively as BU players seemed to be ending their progress or approaching the sidelines. This cost a few yards on a number of occasions and even a couple extra-effort first downs.
Late hit outta Bounds
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The missed holding call on one of Russle's scrambles to the outside on a Baylor scoring drive was pretty big. Their OL rode one of our defenders for a good several yards directly in front of a ref with no flag.
As stated, ISU still had their chances but the margin for error is razor thin.
I think the guy was J.D Waggner on the far end of the play... total bs. If I remember right it was a 2nd or 3rd down play also.
Tucker stood over him after tackling him and did the "come on get up" kind of motion with both hands at him. It was taunting, but no over the top, the refs, however showed they weren't going to let either team do much of it.
I think
I think people are pointing out, myself included, that he was actually still inbounds to take it a step further and illustrate just how bad a call it was.
I think you're correct. There's probably a football official reading this who can clarify. My understanding was if, in the official's judgment, the defender had no way of stopping himself it was incidental.
I think people are pointing out, myself included, that he was actually still inbounds to take it a step further and illustrate just how bad a call it was.
NCAA Football Rulebook:
Late Hit, Action Out of Bounds
ARTICLE 7. a. There shall be no piling on, falling on or throwing the body
on an opponent after the ball becomes dead (A.R. 9-1-7-I).
b.
No opponent shall tackle or block the runner when he is clearly out of
bounds or throw him to the ground after the ball becomes dead.
c.
It is illegal for any player to be clearly out of bounds when he initiates
a block against an opponent who is out of bounds. The spot of the foul
is where the blocker crosses the sideline in going out of bounds.
That was not an error.
"ARTICLE 7. a. When a free kick untouched by Team B touches the ground
on or behind Team B’s goal line, the ball becomes dead and belongs to Team B."
It was the 3rd and 18 play. Russell was running left and the OL for BU was holding onto him as Russell ran left. Ref couldn't have been 3 yards from the play. Russell gets 14 yards and BU converts the 4th down and later scores. It was a blatant hold. No way for the ref to miss this one. I am sure it will be one MC sends in for review.
Having DVR allows you to stop action and go super slow motion. The hit out of bounds was one of the worst late hit calls I can ever remember. Seth's left leg was firmly planted on the field of play and his right leg was up in the air when contact was made. There was not one step even close to being out of bounds when the tackle was made.
As for Bobek catching that guy offside, Baylor dude was clearly still in the neutral zone. If you stop the video as soon as Bobek starts to hike the ball, Baylor dude has his right leg on our side of the line of scrimmage yet while his left leg is just on their side. Either way he is completely in the neutral zone. Now in the ref's defense, it is probably hard to see exactly when the ball gets hiked and see exactly where Baylor dude is at when that occurs. But when you see the center hike the ball early and the dude clearly was still trying to move back to his side, how do you not call that?
I understand seeing all these things properly is difficult. But you would think the bad calls would balance out. Demond gets called for taunting, when other guys get away with worse. That's a judgment call. Yes he was taunting. What we are lacking is consistency. I remember when Arnaud was quarterback once, he scored a touchdown and as he ran through the end zone he pointed up to God and handed the ball to the ref and the ref flagged him for unsportsmanlike conduct. I have seen hundreds of players do the same thing but only that one time was it a foul.
As for Bobek catching that guy offside, Baylor dude was clearly still in the neutral zone. If you stop the video as soon as Bobek starts to hike the ball, Baylor dude has his right leg on our side of the line of scrimmage yet while his left leg is just on their side. Either way he is completely in the neutral zone. Now in the ref's defense, it is probably hard to see exactly when the ball gets hiked and see exactly where Baylor dude is at when that occurs. But when you see the center hike the ball early and the dude clearly was still trying to move back to his side, how do you not call that?
I understand seeing all these things properly is difficult. But you would think the bad calls would balance out. Demond gets called for taunting, when other guys get away with worse. That's a judgment call. Yes he was taunting. What we are lacking is consistency. I remember when Arnaud was quarterback once, he scored a touchdown and as he ran through the end zone he pointed up to God and handed the ball to the ref and the ref flagged him for unsportsmanlike conduct. I have seen hundreds of players do the same thing but only that one time was it a foul.
I'd like to know how the ref tipped that snap to make it roll on the ground like so . . .
Nobody suggested that the ref had anything to do with the bad snap. When you are snapping early to catch someone offsides speed - not accuracy - is the objective. Your QB is likely not ready for it anyway so accuracy is of limited benefit.
For the record I think it was a tough call either way on whether the defense got back, but of course I think a player on one side or the other is lined up in the neutral zone on just about every other play so I'm not really clear on where it begins and ends apparently.
Additionally, you get bonus points making a play that is more than 5 yards the penalty would give you. If someone is offside, you still have to play the down.
Sorry, didn't use my sarcasm font. I'm just tired of people ******** about the no-call (which was questionable at best) when the thing that killed us was the bowling ball snap. A halfway decent snap, Lanning pays better attention, and completes the pass, or tosses it out of bounds. Worst case it's 3rd and 3, instead of 3rd and 9.
Officiating was poorly managed. They called too tight, they called too loose, then too tight again. Gotta find a happy medium. I know they needed to real the kids in early in the game, because they were basically frothing at the mouth, but consistency is the most important thing for officiating IMO.