NFL: Kansas City Chiefs Thread
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JFC that wasnt the debate at all. Cousins is a better QB statistically than Lamar. If your gonna jump into a debate, please read through the correct posts first
I guess if the argument being made is that only stats matter, you guys win.
You really are not trying to say that Justin Fields is equal or better than Lamar Jackson here? One is going to be named MVP for the 2nd time in a couple of weeks, and the Fields will be traded at the draft when the Bears take Williams from USC.
The eye test has to account for something, it's just cannot be numbers based. If Jackson gets hurt on the first series tomorrow would you sit there and say "the Ravens will be fine, they still have the same defense, running backs and WRs?"
Jackson is the difference maker for the Ravens, just as Mahomes is for the Chiefs. Mahomes did not have a great season, but everyone in the league knows, that if he at his best, the Chiefs can beat anybody. Jackson is not at that level yet, but is getting there and is very close. The difference is Mahomes has won super bowls, and Jackson has not done it YET.
Not hardly. I'm making the statement in rebuttal to saying lamar is a good QB just because he can run the ball. Using the logic of the original poster, why wouldnt fields be in that same conversation
Okay, but that’s not how the game is played.
I am tired of this narrative. If Goff, Purdy, or any starting QB gets hurt before playoff game, would you feel confident that team will win? If there is a team that lose starting QB and still win, it is Ravens. They have defense that can overcome offensive deficiency unlike other teams in the playoff. If Mahomes doesn’t play, Chiefs’ season is over.
Lamar is not just a good QB, he is a great QB, winning the 2nd MVP proves that point. Stop looking at stats and start watching the way he plays the game. No defensive coordinator has sleepless nights worrying about the scrambling ability of Fields, but they game plan around keeping Jackson in the pocket and spying him, trying to stop him running the ball and he still does it.
I was watching Hard Knocks with the Dolphins the other day, they were showing film on some of Mahomes throws, and the players, the ones that were actually playing the game that week were blown away with some of his throws. Jackson's ability to run and throw does the same thing, he does not have the touch Mahomes has, but he makes up for it with his ability to run the ball and make people miss him.
He was well deserved for his first one but not this year. Media hype will make him MVP this year I can’t count how many times I heard the national media saying Jackson had unbelievable year.
No, I would not, hell losing our all-pro starting guard is going to hurt us, but the Ravens and the Chiefs are average teams without Jackson and Mahomes, good but not great. The 49ers would be OK with a decent backup QB, not as good as they are with Purdy, but less of a drop off then the Chiefs and Ravins would experience. Hard to say about the Lions, they are a team that is playing at a higher level than their talent says they should. Very good TE and one WR, solid running game, and a defense that attacks you. They believe in themselves, which means a lot, unlike a team like the Bills that know they are going to piss it away, the Lions still believe.
4-9 without Lamar since 2018 if you wanted stats on that
I think you are debating the numbers here, does MVP mean the player that had the best numbers this season, or is the MVP the player that makes him team perform to its highest level? Or maybe it's a little of both. You just cannot look at the numbers, what more could Jackson do in your mind that he already has not done this season? They are the number one seed, they are on odds on favorite to win the super bowl and his improved play has been the difference maker.
To me that says MVP, I could care about what the numbers say, unless someone else is blowing away his numbers and is still playing this weekend.
No Niners and Lions above average team without Purdy and Goff. When Purdy and Goff played bad, teams lost. When Jackson played bad, Raven lost some but won some games.
To tomorrow's game we have to contain baltimores rushing attack. We were jekyll and hide last week in that aspect last week. Awful first half, great in the 2nd. I'll be very surprised if we move the ball anywhere near as efficient as last week so can't let them build a lead early.
Put fields on the Ravens are they are the same team. It’s Jackson’s running and their running game as a whole that makes them a good offense. Not Jackson’s passing ability. I mean it’s smart to build the team that way because their offense would be bad if they were trying to be a pass first team. I think he is really valuable to what they do but I also think the mvp for the ravens is the defense. They have been a TO generating machine this year.