NFL: Kansas City Chiefs Thread
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Something interesting about the last two seasons is that the Chiefs have blown a giant hole in the narrative that you can't win with a quarterback making top dollar. That's been the story that the league front offices want everyone to believe. Now, to be clear, there's nobody else like Mahomes, and that's what the ownership side of the contract negotiation table will say, but even so, agents are going to be even further emboldened to ask for a king's ransom when negotiating for top tier signal callers.
Its going to be interesting to see how they navigate the offseason. I'd love to bring Jones back but he's going to eat up a ton of cap room if they do. He sure looked like a leader on the defense this year despite the hold out and I don't argue that he deserves to be paid but that is going to be on him what that number is and how bad he wants to come back as the Chiefs won't have the cap space to give him the top dollar deal he wants. Maybe Mahomes reworks his deal or they get creative somehow but I think Sneed is the 1 guy on defense you can't afford to lose right now. They obviously need help at WR and need to start looking at OL and TE too with contracts that will be coming up or guys getting close to retiring. The defense is elite right now, just need to keep it intact as much as possible while improving the areas of need on offense.
I really doubt the Chiefs have the cap space to sign Jones for what he wants, and if they do, that will eat up all the cap and they would not be able to then turn around and sign either Sneed or Gay. Letting Jones walk allows you to free up money to sign other players, it sucks but that is the NFL.
I think he's back. He's still at the top of his game and enjoying the game too much to walk away now. As long as Reid is the coach he will have a reason to keep playing as long as he is healthy and productive. Thought I saw somewhere he wants to beat Gronk's super bowl titles, so he still has a couple more to go to get there at Gronk has 4 rings to Kelce's 3. If Jason retires like everyone assumes he will it's going to be a fun next season with Jason, Donna, and Taylor all in the suite for the games.
As for the thing on the sideline with him and Reid, I don't think that was as big of a deal as some made it out ot be. Travis is a competitor and wanted to be in on a key down and I'd bet Reid was glad to see him fired up over it. People have made a big deal out of some of the temper tantrums Mahomes and Kelce have shown this year but you have to put into context why they were upset. Both those guys are big competitors and hate losing so if venting some frustration gets their mindset in the right place then its no big deal. Many of us here thought there was no way this team was winning a championship this year the way they were playing in the middle of the season but these guys dug in and made plays when it mattered which is exactly what champions do. I loved the fire that Rice showed too when he was upset that Mahomes missed him on what would have been a touchdown. They asked him after the game about that and he said he told Mahomes he was hungry and wanted him to feed him the ball. Another guy I am excited about going forward and that is the kind of fire I want to see from a guy that will probably be their top WR next year.
Chenal looked great last night, so that makes the Gay decision a little easier. If I had to choose Jones or Sneed, I want Sneed.
Kelsey will come back because of the chance for a 3 peat will just be too large an opportunity to walk away from and retire. Outside of Berry Sanders, how many HOF players just retired and walked away when they were still playing at a high level, very few. Kelsey will come back because he knows he can still play at a very high level, winning and it helps his brand down the road to return.
I don't know if that was the narrative. IMO the narrative isn't that you can't win with a QB making top dollar. The narrative for me is that if you have a QB making top dollar they better be Mahomes/Allen type players, you cannot win with Kirk Cousins making top dollar. That's bad.
Jones is great. Taking nothing away from him. But lockdown corners like the Chiefs have just completely change the game in crazy ways.
One player the Chiefs could target if they think Jones is too much is Christian Wilkins from Miami. Get a really good DT at less money. I think I saw he is likely lookin at a contract for about 20 mill per year.
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It was though. Before Mahomes won it last year, no quarterback in the salary cap era had ever won a Superbowl while accounting for more than 13% of the team's cap. Steve Young had been the previous high back in 1994. Mahomes blew that away last year by accounting for over 17% of Kansas City's cap. This year, he was slightly less than that at 16.5%, but still significantly above what the previous high was.
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And next year it gets significantly worse unless they play more cap games. His cap hit is estimated to be almost 24% in 2024. Drafting and development has to continue to be spot on, because they can't keep kicking the can down the road forever.It was though. Before Mahomes won it last year, no quarterback in the salary cap era had ever won a Superbowl while accounting for more than 13% of the team's cap. Steve Young had been the previous high back in 1994. Mahomes blew that away last year by accounting for over 17% of Kansas City's cap. This year, he was slightly less than that at 16.5%, but still significantly above what the previous high was.
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Which is idiotic.
Only Mahomes is worth over $40 million per year.
Allen would be close.
Burrow, Herbert, Jackson, Hurts $40 million max.
Dak, Jones, and Cousins? LOL.
$35 Million.
Veach/Mahomes will work something out that benefits everyone. Whether that is enough to keep CJ, idk.
Resigning Sneed is #1 IMO. Think you let Gay walk, resign Tranquill for cheaper. If you can get it done with Chris Jones you do it. He said in post game he told Veach to bring him back, but it has to make sense and Jones has shown he will hold out for top dollar.
Resigning Sneed is #1 IMO. Think you let Gay walk, resign Tranquill for cheaper. If you can get it done with Chris Jones you do it. He said in post game he told Veach to bring him back, but it has to make sense and Jones has shown he will hold out for top dollar.
That is my thinking too. Mahomes said something like "we're going to bring everyone back" in the heat of the moment which in theory sounds good but financially is not going to be possible without some concessions by him in his deal and some key guys not trying to break the bank in free agency. Jones is the one guy that everyone knows they'd like back but realistically it going to come down to what his demands are. If he wants $30 mil a year he probably won't be back.
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I think CEH is gone, McKinnon could possibly be too but could see him back on a cheap deal but regardless they'll likely need to add another RB to the mix
MVS will be cut to save cap space. $2 mil in dead cap space is better than paying nearly $14 mil. Maybe they re-work his deal but he's not a guy that is a priority to retain. Guessing they will likely cut ties one way or another with Toney, unfortunately may have to eat the last year of his salary if they can't find a trade. I'd like to see Hardman back on a cheap deal, will be interesting after he chased the money last year and then couldn't crack the Jets rotation if that was an eye opener. WR is the position they have to bring in someone productive to be opposite of Rice. Thought that Moore could be that guy but I think they've lost faith in him so he's either trade bait or going to be riding the bench again like he has lately.
LT is a possible issue with Donovan Smith hitting free agency
Got some decisions to make on the defensive line with Nnadi and Danna especially if Jones leaves.
LB Tranquill and Gay are both free agents, Gay probably will get some decent offers and be tough to resign
Sneed is a big priority to keep, Mike Edwards would also be nice to bring back too if they can even if they have Cook coming back.
And no one is talking about Townsend because he's the punter but he's been a darn good one so hopefully there is room to keep him around.
