Iowa State vs Iowa

Barring injury I think it actually helped both on NBA path...but I have to tip the hat for Fran's masterful slow roll of his twin legacy recruits.

First off, full credit that he signed them when a lot of programs overlooked them. A lot of posters on this board made pretty stupid comments jumping the gun when they signed.

Second, it was VERY obvious that they both had the talent to start or effectively play starter minutes immediately as freshmen. If nothing else they were natural rebounders immediately who grab rebounds seemingly effortlessly. I'm not at all shocked Kris is rebounding at elite level the first time he's been given starter minutes.

Last year it was clear Kris was easily their second best player and should have been getting heavy minutes, not playing behind Fran's kids and other less skilled players. Kris's advanced metrics per minute last year were among the best in all of college basketball...I'm talking compared to All Americans in many ways he produced right with them per 40 minutes.

Fran is going to end up getting 5 seasons total out of them when if he had played them heavy minutes right away he's looking likely 1 for Keegan and 2 for Kris...maybe 2 for both, no way he has Kris as a Junior if he played them both a lot. As long as neither get hurt (one already didn't) I think it works improving their stock as first rounders drafted to play for a team vs a "project" player taken later.

Keegan is not lighting the world on fire thus far very early, but he's an NBA player and belongs. He did utterly dominate the summer league and I think can still really improve into a key player for a team. He's drastically better than Wisconsin's Johnny Davis which I was telling everybody was obvious last year (could be a bust already).

The brilliant thing is there's apparently blood loyalty with the twins (or they are just patient as ****), so it's not like Kris was going to say "screw this" and transfer after he got less minutes than Fran's kid last year even though he's 10x the player. Connor is a career 11.4 PER player and Kris is a career 26.3 PER and they both played 17 minutes a game, Patrick played 25 minutes a game. Some might think that makes Fran a bad coach...but if he had always played Kris and Keegan heavy minutes he has no Kris at all this year.
He is getting the most bang for his buck out of them in terms of extending the amount of time he has one of them...but how good could they have been if both averaged 32+mpg last year? They were a 5-seed and won the Big 10 Tournament with one of them playing big minutes...just thinking about how much better it could have been with two of them make me think Fran is dumb. And, they could have eaten into each others stats a bit, and possibly both could have come back for another year.
 
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I am not worried about a tightly officiated game. Iowa's FT shooting has been bad, and we showed against UCONN that we can adjust to a tightly officiated game. I know we lost that one, but our guys did back off in the 2H and were still playing good d, just couldn't hit shots to stay in it.

Iowa doesn't have a Point Guard, and we will turn them over a lot more than they are used to. We might lose the FT Attempt / FT Made statistic, but I am comfortable predicting we win in most other areas, including final score.

Don't get me wrong I think ISU will win if I had to pick it. I need to see Iowa prove it when it comes to beating a team that will play physical defense against them. I'm just saying I think somebody could easily make a case either way.
 
Are you looking at Woman's basketball? Which to be honest you'd still be able to argue that their woman's basketball team shouldn't be ranked. Have lost 3 times.

They've lost to three ranked teams including perennial Final Four UConn. You can't really say they shouldn't be ranked. AP has them at #16 which is just about exactly where I'd rank them.
 
Don't get me wrong I think ISU will win if I had to pick it. I need to see Iowa prove it when it comes to beating a team that will play physical defense against them. I'm just saying I think somebody could easily make a case either way.

Right now I'm picking Iowa and would love it if I'm wrong. I've heard/read about their trends of not guarding, soft etc but anyone can buck trends for one game.

ISU themselves needs to buck trends of missing at the rim, weird turnovers and figuring out how to run Iowa off the line as teams have gotten good looks on skip passes.

Positive is the Portland trip went great and Iowa wouldn't be on the radar for bad losses come March.
 
They've lost to three ranked teams including perennial Final Four UConn. You can't really say they shouldn't be ranked. AP has them at #16 which is just about exactly where I'd rank them.
It’s obviously really early but I’m not going to prop up their resume by circling their quality losses so far.
 
JFC, everyone posts on here like Iowa is frigging KU. Tj will have the guys ready to go we are going to go out play hard nosed D like last yr and like we do every game and beat them by at least 10

The women's game has the makings of a good one though. As long as the ladies don't go on a drought on offense they should get the W.
 
JFC, everyone posts on here like Iowa is frigging KU. Tj will have the guys ready to go we are going to go out play hard nosed D like last yr and like we do every game and beat them by at least 10

The women's game has the makings of a good one though. As long as the ladies don't go on a drought on offense they should get the W.
This.....TJ knows the importance of this game.....i think he dislikes sukeye and mad fran as much as any on here
 
Interested to see how Iowa looks tonight.
Watching the TCU Iowa game the other day, TCU carved them up anytime they tried to press. Hopefully ISU can do the same because it isn't very good.
 
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It is absolutely staggering the number of legacy recruits and home grown hawkeyes that Fran has backed into during his tenure at Iowa. What would his program look like if he didn't luck back into so many of these guys?
 
Right now I'm picking Iowa and would love it if I'm wrong. I've heard/read about their trends of not guarding, soft etc but anyone can buck trends for one game.

ISU themselves needs to buck trends of missing at the rim, weird turnovers and figuring out how to run Iowa off the line as teams have gotten good looks on skip passes.

Positive is the Portland trip went great and Iowa wouldn't be on the radar for bad losses come March.
OMG, yes, we miss so many bunnies. If we can covert easy looks at a high rate, we can win this game. But so far, that is not us, we really struggle in that area.
 
It is absolutely staggering the number of legacy recruits and home grown hawkeyes that Fran has backed into during his tenure at Iowa. What would his program look like if he didn't luck back into so many of these guys?
Lickliter 2.0. He would have been gone by now. Actually, lucky for him and lucky for us and the rest of the BIG. I want Fran at Iowa as long as possible. Most 4 and 5 star recruits will not want to play for him, and play behind his kids.
 
Lickliter 2.0. He would have been gone by now. Actually, lucky for him and lucky for us and the rest of the BIG. I want Fran at Iowa as long as possible. Most 4 and 5 star recruits will not want to play for him, and play behind his kids.
I assume he has a finite number of kids, right?
 
I would normally say that with the success ISU has had vs iowas over the last 30 some years that the Hawkeye fanboys would start dwindling. Then I remember that the Hawkeye faithful are prosperous in-breeders so they just keep cycling. Not a lot of charitable cyclones will to marry those inbreds and stop the cycle.

I caught one before she fully got sucked in. I did my duty.
 

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