Iowa State vs Iowa
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In the UCONN game we swiped at the ball so much and got caught a ton. Yesterday we did not make dumb attempts to swipe at the ball and we got called for less fouls.
We aren't talking technicals, we are talking chippy, tough guy acts. You don't get a technical for walking through huddles are shoulder bumping after a foul. It's little junior high crap that they think is tough when it's more stupid than anything else.
Me too and they get into altercations often. I mean Connor got ejected in the first round of last year’s Big 10 tournament.
Lol, ok, so pretty much like every other Division 1 team?
Is it similar to Bob Jones flexing yesterday? Or Osi flexing after a dunk or doing a Mutumbo impersonation after a block?
Similar to the St. John's guy slapping the ball out of Gabes hands yesterday during a dead ball?
The first two, no. Although I'd prefer Osun not do that ****.
Last one, yes.
If ISU were doing physical stupid **** then it would be similar.
Your hok fan ness is showing here. Not a good look.
Iowa has had this reputation for a while with Fran’s teams. The last few years it’s almost exclusively been Connor though. He instigates a lot of things.
Some very interesting contrasts in this game - all on the Iowa O/ ISU D end of the court. That's clearly where the game will be decided - and like usual, if its a game in the 50s or 60s, I like our odds. If its a game in the 80s, we will almost certainly lose.
As showed in the kenpom pic above, #1 vs #1 in Turnover Rate at that end of the court is huge - but there's several other things as well.
According to haslemetrics.com, ISU defensively is #1 in NPAR (Near Proximity Attempts Allowed per 100 possessions) and Iowa is #4 offensively. Meaning that ISU doesn't allow teams to shoot at the rim and Iowa is very good at getting to the rim.
On the other hand, Iowa is one of the best teams in getting to the FT line (Free Throw Rate) and ISU is one worst at sending teams to the FT line. I think that's the biggest key to the game, unless a team goes off from 3 or dominates the boards (like UConn did to us) then I think it comes down to whether Iowa can get cheap points at the FT line. The 4 major conf teams ISU has played have all shot exactly 25 FTs. I think that's the number to match - less than 25, ISU probably wins. More than 25 Iowa probably wins.
As showed in the kenpom pic above, #1 vs #1 in Turnover Rate at that end of the court is huge - but there's several other things as well.
According to haslemetrics.com, ISU defensively is #1 in NPAR (Near Proximity Attempts Allowed per 100 possessions) and Iowa is #4 offensively. Meaning that ISU doesn't allow teams to shoot at the rim and Iowa is very good at getting to the rim.
On the other hand, Iowa is one of the best teams in getting to the FT line (Free Throw Rate) and ISU is one worst at sending teams to the FT line. I think that's the biggest key to the game, unless a team goes off from 3 or dominates the boards (like UConn did to us) then I think it comes down to whether Iowa can get cheap points at the FT line. The 4 major conf teams ISU has played have all shot exactly 25 FTs. I think that's the number to match - less than 25, ISU probably wins. More than 25 Iowa probably wins.
Fair enough, Perkins has started to get a little chippy latley also but beyond that the rest of them are pretty stoic and don't say much, especially the Murray twins.
Perkins is the 2nd worst. Jordan ran his mouth a ton too. But honestly their best players of the last few years in Garza, Joe Wieskamp and the two Murrays have been fairly reserved.
I’m counting on Connie throwing a punch before the half and one of our guys getting called for a flagrant 1 for defending himself.
Yeah exactly like all of the other teams except Iowa's roster is full of huge pussies.
I dont understand why Iowa's offensive metrics are so good this year. Is it because they beat up on soft competition or is that factored in?
They don't look near as explosive as last year to me so far.
They don't really have alot of 3 point threats and pure shooters they've had in the past. Murray is good but hes more a volume scorer than anything he we our D could easily hold him to one of his 4-17 shooting nights.
Patrick and Sandfort have really been struggling shooting this year, Rebraca struggles from anything beyond 1 foot, and I think Perkins is banged up.
I just don't see them as this offensive juggernaut this year and I think if we can frustrate Murray we should win by 8-10.
Besides beating up on softies, they also pay basically no defense so they are rested for the offensive side of the floor. They also have guys who can knock down shots and I'm sure Murray has drawn attention.
Fran is a coaching genius for screwing over a Murray twin(and essentially the Hawkeye fan base). Now there’s a take you don’t see everyday.
I'm not saying I like it on condone it...but there's no way Kris Murray is in college basketball if he played him the minutes his stats dictated. Probably a good chance Keegan is one and done if he hadn't benched him most of his freshman year.
How would this Iowa team look without him?
Kris's #s last year were insane for a 17 minutes per game player, especially viewed through lens of efficiency where he produced without needing a lot of shots and without turning over the ball. The only time you would usually see that kind of statistical production/efficiency from a bench player is on a team loaded with McD AAs.
I agree on all accounts. All I can see is that their very dominant FT numbers along with low TO numbers lead to the offensive efficiency rating. Their FG% is okay, but not great.
I don't remember if this was a Pete Taylor or Tim Floyd or someone else saying - but I remember hearing around that time of "make more FTs that your opponent takes". Iowa is averaging 18 made FTs a game and their opponents are taking less than 11. TCU was the only game it was close.
A significant amount of our foul trouble yesterday was a couple STJ players were just a-holes and the officials didn't have the courage to call technicals without making them double techs.
Gabe and Tamin both get more minutes and probably increase margin of victory if we weren't playing a team that was emotionally out of control or had officials who just called the obvious non-double techs or no techs at all.
and just think about thursday’s game , they have a few guys that are also emotionally out of contol also
Of course the apple doesn’t fall far from the tree. Hopefully it will be another big Cyclone win!
and just think about thursday’s game , they have a few guys that are also emotionally out of contol also
If they called the techs on the STJ's players instead of doubles...that's 4 extra fts onto the final score and our two best ball handlers don't have to ride pine. Could be looking at a 3-10 point swing due to that.
If they just don't call them at all it's still a huge plus for ISU foul trouble.
It was pretty clear our players were just playing through it and not instigating plays that should be Ts.