How stable is Big 12?

[enisthemenace]

I'm late to the party, but here are some things, outside of GOR talks, I can't wrap my head around. Would welcome thoughts:

1. Oklahoma to SEC: Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are a package, no? Only Alabama, with Alabama and Auburn, has two universities within the same state in the SEC, and I thought SEC was against any state with multiple universities. One reason is because it waters down TV revenue within that state. How does OU to the SEC make sense?

2. Texas to Pac-12: Like OU above, I was under the impression Texas was tied to Texas Tech. If that is true, there is NO WAY the Pac-12 would accept Tech along with Texas. Texas would fit the Pac-12 academic mold, but Tech isn't close. As a matter of fact, I believe when the discussions of Texas to Pac-12 were originally happening a few years ago, the Pac-12 had a saying going something like "The Texas Tech Problem"

3. Texas to B1G:
a. B1G has always had the contiguous state thing. Every state represented in the B1G boarders another. Texas would be an outlier. Would B1G change that req?
b. Texas ******* about playing up North after October. The Big12 had been amicable to that "demand". The B1G could not, and more importantly, would not accommodate that
c. "The Texas Tech Problem"
d. I thought B1G required a unanimous vote for entry. Would Nebby swallow their pride?

Thoughts?

 

[Gonzo]

I'm late to the party, but here are some things, outside of GOR talks, I can't wrap my head around. Would welcome thoughts:

1. Oklahoma to SEC: Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are a package, no? Only Alabama, with Alabama and Auburn, has two universities within the same state in the SEC, and I thought SEC was against any state with multiple universities. One reason is because it waters down TV revenue within that state. How does OU to the SEC make sense?

2. Texas to Pac-12: Like OU above, I was under the impression Texas was tied to Texas Tech. If that is true, there is NO WAY the Pac-12 would accept Tech along with Texas. Texas would fit the Pac-12 academic mold, but Tech isn't close. As a matter of fact, I believe when the discussions of Texas to Pac-12 were originally happening a few years ago, the Pac-12 had a saying going something like "The Texas Tech Problem"

3. Texas to B1G:
a. B1G has always had the contiguous state thing. Every state represented in the B1G boarders another. Texas would be an outlier. Would B1G change that req?
b. Texas ******* about playing up North after October. The Big12 had been amicable to that "demand". The B1G could not, and more importantly, would not accommodate that
c. "The Texas Tech Problem"
d. I thought B1G required a unanimous vote for entry. Would Nebby swallow their pride?

Thoughts?

Tennessee and Mississippi say 'hi'.

 

[enisthemenace]

Tennessee and Mississippi say 'hi'.

Whoops. Thanks.

 

[Gonzo]

Whoops. Thanks.

Vandy's pretty easy to forget.

 

[enisthemenace]

Vandy's pretty easy to forget.

Maybe I heard that as part of expansion candidates, around the time when Florida State and Clemson were being thrown around. There was discussion about these schools bright sick of the ACC, and looking to potentially move. Big12 was considered an option, and potentially the only option, because SEC wouldn't take them because of Florida and South Carolina.

If looking at expansion, wouldn't Florida State be more attractive than, say, Oklahoma State? Oklahoma being covered by SEC, sure, but I have a hard time believing they would accept OSU at the same time.

 

[Al_4_State]

I think the SEC wants to avoid adding schools within their footprint. The cases of 2 schools in the same state predate the current TV climate.

Otherwise you'd think a Florida State or Clemson would have been pursued instead of Mizzou/Aggy.

 

[Gonzo]

Maybe I heard that as part of expansion candidates, around the time when Florida State and Clemson were being thrown around. There was discussion about these schools bright sick of the ACC, and looking to potentially move. Big12 was considered an option, and potentially the only option, because SEC wouldn't take them because of Florida and South Carolina.

If looking at expansion, wouldn't Florida State be more attractive than, say, Oklahoma State? Oklahoma being covered by SEC, sure, but I have a hard time believing they would accept OSU at the same time.

I'd think FSU would be much more attractive but could totally see major pushback against FSU especially from Florida, Bama, Georgia.

 

[SCNCY]

I'm late to the party, but here are some things, outside of GOR talks, I can't wrap my head around. Would welcome thoughts:

1. Oklahoma to SEC: Oklahoma and Oklahoma State are a package, no? Only Alabama, with Alabama and Auburn, has two universities within the same state in the SEC, and I thought SEC was against any state with multiple universities. One reason is because it waters down TV revenue within that state. How does OU to the SEC make sense?

I think people are forgetting about the 2 school rule per a state that this conference was set up a long time ago. When the SEC, and many other conferences formed, they wanted to be local because college sports did not have the money it does now as 20-40-60 years ago. So regional conferences made sense for travel considerations.

More to the no more than 2 schools per a state in the SEC footprint rule. When the SEC formed, and many decades later, TV was not a big factor in conference make up. In the 90's and beyond, TV became a bigger part of the finances of college sports. It wasn't until conference networks came where a conference began to strategically determine who to add in order to get subscriber revenue. So when this happened, about 10 years ago; a conference wasn't going to kick out current members because of their location.

This doesn't mean that the go forward plan is to not add a school in the current footprint.

 

[Beyerball]

Of all the expansion and big 12 falling apart articles and there are like 10 a day...I have yet to see anyone give me just one good reason for Texas to leave the big 12 let alone like a dozen needed.

Just one really good reason...and don't say $$ because Tx is and will make more in the big 12 than any team in America. In 2024 Texas will make around $60 million in TV revenue..$60 million folks.

 

[CyclonesForever]

The Big 12 is stable for the next decade most likely. After the GOR is over, then who knows. As long as Big 12 teams are not being left out of the playoffs and bringing in the money, the conference will be fine. If the Big 12 expands, falls behind financially and teams like Oklahoma or Texas are being left out of the playoffs when going 11-1 or so, then there is serious cause for concern.

 

[Al_4_State]

The Big 12 is stable for the next decade most likely. After the GOR is over, then who knows. As long as Big 12 teams are not being left out of the playoffs and bringing in the money, the conference will be fine. If the Big 12 expands, falls behind financially and teams like Oklahoma or Texas are being left out of the playoffs when going 11-1 or so, then there is serious cause for concern.

Exactly. If the Big 12 is wealthy and a usual playoff participant, the league will be fine. If not, it won't. It's really that simple.

Expanding the playoffs to 8 teams will do more for Big 12 stability than anything, IMO.

 

[Stormin]

If there is not an extension of the GOR then there will be no expansion. And it sounds like negotiations include the networks.

 

[KnappShack]

If there is not an extension of the GOR then there will be no expansion. And it sounds like negotiations include the networks.

Ahhh.....we always point fingers at Texas and OU, but TV runs this show. The league will be together as long as Fox and ESPN keep writing checks. (Or CBS, NBC, Twitter, Hulu, Netflix, etc)

 

[Stormin]

Ahhh.....we always point fingers at Texas and OU, but TV runs this show. The league will be together as long as Fox and ESPN keep writing checks. (Or CBS, NBC, Twitter, Hulu, Netflix, etc)

Without an extension of the GOR then there probably will not be an expansion. And TV does run the show. That is why the networks will be included in the negotiations and possible expansion discussion.

Smart move IMO. Networks can get input on expansion teams, and negotiation over adding 4 teams and which teams to be considered. Remember that the status quo is that networks must pay all expansion teams the same money if the league is expanded. Extend the current contract and the Big 12 gives an extension of the GOR. Expand the league by just 2 teams with BYU and Cincinnati. League is still strong and not diluted. More inventory. And a CCG.

Not sure the networks want to expand the league by 4 teams.

 

[Beyerball]

Yep listen to recent pod..very interesting..This could all be big bluff to get networks to give new tv deal with extended GOR..Or..We do expand to stiff networks and are already in talks with Netflix type and also extend GOR..One thing is for sure if teams in conference want to expand there has to be a GOR extension or teams will vote no to expansion..gonna be interesting.

 

[dafarmer]

Did anyone else hear that UCLA was interested in the BIG 12. Either was on SC or other ESPN channel. I would be shocked at this, if true.

 

[KnappShack]

Without an extension of the GOR then there probably will not be an expansion. And TV does run the show. That is why the networks will be included in the negotiations and possible expansion discussion.

Smart move IMO. Networks can get input on expansion teams, and negotiation over adding 4 teams and which teams to be considered. Remember that the status quo is that networks must pay all expansion teams the same money if the league is expanded. Extend the current contract and the Big 12 gives an extension of the GOR. Expand the league by just 2 teams with BYU and Cincinnati. League is still strong and not diluted. More inventory. And a CCG.

Not sure the networks want to expand the league by 4 teams.

I imagine the conference will be paid to stop expansion at 12. Cheaper for the networks and more money to the members.

I do not see the TV partners paying $25 million extra for the schools out there after 11 and 12

 

[ConvertedCyclone2013]

People are losing sight of what is important in college athletics, which is winning national titles. No one brags how much money their school is bringing in when they are losing (Texas fball & UCLA bball). If universities are smart they are going to put themselves in the best position to win national titles. The big 12 is the best place for Oklahoma and Texas because they have the easiest rode to the playoff. That is why they will stay in the big 12, I'm honestly not worried they are leaving soon.

1. Texas needs to play other Texas teams, it is embedded into Texas football culture since the 70's. Other conferences will not take Tech or Baylor with them.

2. Oklahoma will more than likely have to take OK State wherever they go. Big 10 and SEC are better off keeping the same than adding both schools.

3. Pac 12 is a mess, no one wants to touch them with a 12 ft pole.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I hope the UCLA rumor has some substance.

 

[Stormin]

I imagine the conference will be paid to stop expansion at 12. Cheaper for the networks and more money to the members.

I do not see the TV partners paying $25 million extra for the schools out there after 11 and 12

Sounds like TV networks are being included in the discussions. IMO, that is a good strategy. Bring in 2 schools. Extend the GOR Get additional money and an extension. That would be great.