How Bad is ReCe DaViS?
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Yeah, but isn't that ISU fans beef with these guys? No one has said we're a playoff team and we're not ranked in the top four...so the committee agrees that we're not a playoff team. But these guys are going bananas that we're ranked 6th. Bilas said it was a joke, right? And we all know Bilas wouldn't call it a joke that Indiana was ranked 6th...
I honestly don't care that much if we lose tomorrow because it's been such a great season. I'm satisfied (even though I know the staff and team are far from it). But JFC it does make you wonder why these national guys have to belabor our ranking which isn't that significant. Cinci, Coastal, Indiana...none of them are getting to the playoff from #6 right now...so what's the difference?
The bias is that they figured out the formula by playing 8 conference games (in normal years) You understand when you have a quality win it is beating a team that is ABOVE .500. Even the bad SEC teams are able to start out 4-0 or 3-1 worst case scenario. This is why you have very few SEC teams at 2-10. When you lose to a 6-4 team it is not as bad as losing to 3-7 team. Formula is easy to figure out and the Big 12 would do themselves a favor by going to 8 conference games. What if ISU had dodged Okie St this season? What if OU dodged KSU? If both of those happened we would be talking about a minimum of one team in the playoff.
Georgia doesn't have a single win against anyone as good as Texas or OSU.
Florida's only win on par with Texas and OSU is Georgia (maybe).
Florida and OU have equally bad losses to LSU and Kansas State.
Georgia and Florida both got smoked by Top 10 teams. Oklahoma barely lost to a Top 10 team.
Georgia has no good wins, other than this idea that Auburn, Tennesse, Missouri are actually good teams because they are in the SEC.
The SEC is a conference of incest when it comes to strength of schedule.
Gee, i got a dumb rating for posting basically the same thing only shorter. I was being a smartass about it, however. Good post by you
Right, my problem with him has been that he's completely contradicted himself many times over.
He says that he knows Coastal has a better resume than Cincy, but thinks Cincy should be higher because of the eye test. He agrees that Ohio State doesn't have the resume, but thinks they are OK at #4 because of the eye test.
He then goes on to say he would favor ISU over Coastal or Cincy. So basically saying his eye test says ISU is better, but because of resumes ISU shouldn't be 6th.
And of course whether it's resume or eye test, no sane person can put Indiana in front of ISU. It was like some guy that had a podcast with the Bear on ESPN. He was complaining about ISU being #6 and making the case for teams like USC and OSU. His comment was that he understood that these teams haven't played anybody and ISU's 2 losses were a problem because ultimately "you have to give credit for winning games." Yet, whether it's OSU, USC, or Indiana, they are being credit for AVOIDING games. Not winning them.
The ONLY legitimate, consistent case a person can make for teams to jump ISU have to be purely resume-based. And to be purely resume based they could include Coastal, MAYBE Cincy, and MAYBE Louisiana. Florida and Georgia also have two losses and ISU has more wins and games vs CFP ranked teams. Indiana hasn't beaten a team with a winning record.
If you go "eye test" then ISU HAS to be above Indiana. While ISU was completely dismantling a WVU team coming in at 5-3 IU was struggling mightily with Maryland.
Besides the universal OSU lovefest when they have proven absolutely nothing this year and the annual bias in favor of the SEC, the issue is the insistence that Cincinnati is so much more deserving to be in the #6 spot than ISU when Cincinnati has played absolutely nobody of importance this year. Saturday is the first opponent they’ll play that’s in the CFP top 25. Meanwhile, when the final CFP rankings are released, assuming ISU wins tomorrow and TCU manages to sneak into the top 25, ISU will be 4-2 against the top 25. If you get beyond simple record and actually look at which teams A and B have played, this isn’t even an argument. If Reece were instead backing Coastal Carolina instead of Cincinnati, there would at least be marginally less to complain about on our end because CCU at least has some wins against the CFP top 25, including a win against a team that beat us. But Reece wants to live and die by his Cincinnati arguments, and I’m simply not going to respect that.
It's probably annoying to be Davis and know that fans will take the empty takes he's paid to make to fill up airtime totally seriously.
He is a talking head, that's it.
None of it matters, arguing where outside the top four anyone is rated.
He is a talking head, that's it.
None of it matters, arguing where outside the top four anyone is rated.
This. Enjoyed the interview with Rece, but I too was waiting for the strength of schedule rebuttal. Rece's BYU team was exposed when they played somebody. He thought he was making a great argument that we are not a playoff team. The discussion should have focused more on whether we are deserving of #6. And if he would have argued Cincy (vs CC) he obviously doesn't value SOS.
I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but the most egregious issue of all re: the rankings is OSU at #4. They've played 1/2 the amount of games as the rest of the contenders and the games they have played add up to a 70+ SOS. Their resume is a joke.
Agree, nobody said we're a playoff team. We just didn't need him to bring it up first every time it was his turn to talk that we shouldn't be ranked so high and to badger the committee why they like us so much.
Bottom line (and no I didn't listen to the podcast) is that Rece should have included the accomplishments and feel good story angle at least PART of the time which a few on the panel did. Rece did not. He was always negative towards ISU in an obvious degrading way. Not sure if he was more hurt about Cincinnati or just anti-ISU or anti-committee. The Bilas thing is baffling and not worth commenting on.
First, lets just beat OU and shut the pie holes of the ESPN "analysts."
It will be difficult to justify putting a 2 loss ISU in the playoffs... unless some crazy $hit happens in the other games.
Let's continue to enjoy the attention ISU is getting. This is A LOT of fun and the boys deserve all of it. Plus it really pisses of the fans of the TOE. Bonus.
Lastly, the B1G is 100% catastrophic dumpster fire. No other way to spin that.
It will be difficult to justify putting a 2 loss ISU in the playoffs... unless some crazy $hit happens in the other games.
Let's continue to enjoy the attention ISU is getting. This is A LOT of fun and the boys deserve all of it. Plus it really pisses of the fans of the TOE. Bonus.
Lastly, the B1G is 100% catastrophic dumpster fire. No other way to spin that.
I was just having this debate with some buddies. Their response was "you can't punish Ohio State because of COVID" which is comical, because the only people you are actually punishing are teams who followed protocols, were able to play, and lost. In no world should not playing be better than playing and losing.
OSU has no business being in the playoff conversation having only played 5 games. Eye test or no eye test, 5 games is not a resume of a team that should be considered.
Their conference has screwed over all of college football this year. Best thing that can happen is a Northwestern victory on saturday.
I might be more willing to forgive OSU for their COVID issues if they didn’t go out of the way to duck Illinois when protocol said they could play.
It just fundamentally bothers me that the same people who want to prop up Ohio State want to criticize us for losing to Louisiana. Punish a team for losing a game they play, but assume another team would win a game they don't play. Doesn't make sense.
More often than not, no. But what's the point of playing any games then? By that logic, if Ohio State had never played a game this year, you put them in? If Penn State doesn't play a game all year are they in a NY6 bowl?