hawk fb program headed to the bottom
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Now now, don't miss the point. Iowa is terrible. Iowa justifies losing to ISU as "a bad game" OR "they wanted it more" when really Iowa is awful and gets inflated by a horrific schedule. The only excuse they had not to win 9 or 10 games last year was because, again, they are awful. Even watching that game in Iowa City last year where our lowly 2-10 clones beat you, that dominating Iowa run game rushed for 129 yards on 44 carries against one of the worst run defenses in the country...
Don't take me wrong though. Iowa has more "history" than ISU, no denying that. But, please don't be Nebraska, and hang your hat on everything that once was.
The product Iowa has been putting on the field, records aside, is worse than what ISU puts on the field, which is sad...
Also, its not the top teams that separate the Big 12 from the Big Ten....its the bottom teams. Illinois, Northwestern, Purdue, Rutgers, Indiana, even the late Michigan and Penn St (though both will trade spots with Minnesota soon).
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So Hawkeye fans view it as an upset because they don't see what their team actually is? You might want to venture onto some non iowa/iowa state message boards to see how other fan bases view Iowa during our game.
This thread should be titled: "Join the party, Iowa." Actually, this thread shouldn't exist. Looks bad ripping Iowa when our program is in far worse shape.
Am I the only one that thinks we probably are a little improved than we were historically? The problem is that many of the other teams on our schedule have improved more and deeper than we have. I think there are two reasons why we don't always see our progress.
1. Some teams -- especially we and the Big 12 teams -- are often similar to one trick ponies. They are very good, and nearly unbeatable, when they can play to their strengths but when they lose that confidence they become beatable and beaten. Their ability to impose their style depends on their depth and mindset. Obviously our lack of depth has been a hindrance for many years. Injuries and brutal schedules can be very destructive to the morale (next point). Considering our depth, injuries, and SOS I think we've certainly done better than other teams similar to us.
2. At a meeting with boosters that I attended back when he was still our coach, Johnny Majors told us that coaches can fire up a team to play above their heads only two or three times a season. Any more than that and the team becomes used to the rah-rah and trying to pump up the players becomes ineffective. When we go against stronger teams week after week, mindset strategy becomes very important. Do you go for winnable games or try to prevent embarrassing blowouts that dig a deeper hole in the players' psyche? I think this is what the other teams in the conference mean when they say that playing Iowa State is tough. Our players come to play every game. We may not have the same speed, strength, and depth that the other team has but we show up anyway. They can't assume that we will give up. Best example, of course, is the Okie State game a few years ago.
Overall I think we have many challenges and are not likely to be year-in and year-out contenders any time soon but we do have great fans and our team is able to make waves every year. We might not but we just might.
I'm not ready to get down on our coaches and/or players just yet.
1. Some teams -- especially we and the Big 12 teams -- are often similar to one trick ponies. They are very good, and nearly unbeatable, when they can play to their strengths but when they lose that confidence they become beatable and beaten. Their ability to impose their style depends on their depth and mindset. Obviously our lack of depth has been a hindrance for many years. Injuries and brutal schedules can be very destructive to the morale (next point). Considering our depth, injuries, and SOS I think we've certainly done better than other teams similar to us.
2. At a meeting with boosters that I attended back when he was still our coach, Johnny Majors told us that coaches can fire up a team to play above their heads only two or three times a season. Any more than that and the team becomes used to the rah-rah and trying to pump up the players becomes ineffective. When we go against stronger teams week after week, mindset strategy becomes very important. Do you go for winnable games or try to prevent embarrassing blowouts that dig a deeper hole in the players' psyche? I think this is what the other teams in the conference mean when they say that playing Iowa State is tough. Our players come to play every game. We may not have the same speed, strength, and depth that the other team has but we show up anyway. They can't assume that we will give up. Best example, of course, is the Okie State game a few years ago.
Overall I think we have many challenges and are not likely to be year-in and year-out contenders any time soon but we do have great fans and our team is able to make waves every year. We might not but we just might.
I'm not ready to get down on our coaches and/or players just yet.
I don't really give 2 ***** if we go 2-10 and beat west Virginia and say tcu. I want to beat UNI, Iowa, and all of the former members of the big 8. Unfortunately we don't get to play 3 of them anymore.
It won't be the same winning the big 12 if iowa state ever does when the big 12 is full of odd balls from across the country.
Rivalries are what make college football great
I think that you're getting WAY too much mileage from that freak MSU comeback vs Baylor. Baylor was the better team and would win 8/10 in a series. Just like iowa was better than ISU and would win more often than not in a rematch. Heck, I'd take TCU over tOSU. They lost to a better team in the regular season. I have no doubt that they could compete with them and possibly win. I think that the B12 was tougher through the middle and just as tough at the top as the B10. The B10 had more bottom feeding teams to pick up wins with though...mostly because they have more teams to start with.
For the OP, if the hawk fb program is headed to the bottom, the ISU fb program is already there waiting for them.
Sorry... no... isu fumbled going into the endzone and still beat iowa at iowa. No...Iowa was not the better team and even comparing the mac opponents on the schedule shows that.
Same old story hawk fan. So when isu beats Iowa again this year will iowa be the better team when they beat some jh teams the rest of the way?
Let me help you. No. They wont.. do you want to pull the if they played at the end of the year line. I remember when that was a common theme and then they played at the end of the year and guess who still won.
too funny
Same old story hawk fan. So when isu beats Iowa again this year will iowa be the better team when they beat some jh teams the rest of the way?
Let me help you. No. They wont.. do you want to pull the if they played at the end of the year line. I remember when that was a common theme and then they played at the end of the year and guess who still won.
too funny
My face hurts reading this. The Hoks may be sliding to our level but ISU is hardly in a position to laugh at anyone.
Completely agree. We're 2 and freakin' 10. It's hard enough rationalizing with hoc fans but when ur the worst team in the Big 12, why try?
That's one of those things we'll never know. What we do know is they played once and Michigan St. proved to be the better team, and ended up ranked higher. I think if they did play 10 games MSU would have the edge. Sure Baylor put up 42 on them, but they didn't score a point in the final 20+ minutes of the game. With a defense as good as MSU's, give them game after game to continue adjusting to what Baylor does offensively and the Bears offensive production consistently goes down, just like it did over the course of that single game. Baylor's best chance at beating the Spartans was their first shot at them.
Before the bowl games if you would have told me the second best big 10 team would need an epic comeback coupled with an epic collapse to barely beat the second best big 12 team I would have told you that makes sense.
Stick with the Iowa vs ISU, the conference comparison doesn't end well for the big 10. You'd think after the last decade that'd be obvious. It is to everyone else and I'm not talking about cyclone fans.
Big 12 co-champion.
Looks to me like the conference comparison for last season ends pretty well for the B1G.
it doesn't, but it's cute to see some fight from the big 10 fans even after all this time.
I don't understand why people here feel the constant need to compare us to Iowa or the b12 to the b10. ISU's problem isnt that we don't play in the B10, it's that we aren't competitive in the B12. CPR's job isn't to make us competitive with the b10, or hypothetically beat the teams on someone else's schedule, it's to be competitive in the b12 and best the team on ours.
Constantly doing other wise is obviously defensive ***** *** ***** behavior.
Constantly doing other wise is obviously defensive ***** *** ***** behavior.
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