You wouldn't think so, but half the people in this thread can't grasp that fact. But hey, I know what will make me feel better! Let's imagine Iowa playing and losing to North Dakota. Ohhhh yeah that makes it all better.... No wait a second, it doesn't.
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You wouldn't think so, but half the people in this thread can't grasp that fact. But hey, I know what will make me feel better! Let's imagine Iowa playing and losing to North Dakota. Ohhhh yeah that makes it all better.... No wait a second, it doesn't.
The conference comparison issue comes up when idiots try to compare Iowa's record with ISU's and use that as a measuring stick for how good each team is. When this is brought up, its relevant to show just how weak Iowa's schedule is and just how awful the Big Ten has been as a conference...literally the weakest, or perhaps 2nd weakest, of the P5 leagues (they alternate with the ACC). So the "constant need" is really just an answer to the numerous Hawkeye fans here making a false comparison of the programs.
Yes, our focus is on being more competitive in the Big 12, but we are still free to point out the obvious when confronted with Hawkeye delusions...that Iowa's better season records are generally a function of playing the equivalent of Kansas 7 times during each season. Further, our beating their butt on their home field and in Ames during the KF era...more often than not...is a clear demonstration of the fact that our team's abilities are greater than theirs. An argument that we make because Iowa and ISU are rivals...making this game important to both teams, though less so than either team's conference performance.
So CPR's job is to improve our play in conference AND to ensure we beat the weaker team's we play outside of the league...such as Iowa. He multi-tasks...of necessity, as do all coaches. His priority is obviously the Big 12, and that's where he has/is/will target his efforts, though it is a far more difficult task than beating up on weak Big Ten teams...which is why our success in league has been much harder to come by.
Yes, our focus is on being more competitive in the Big 12, but we are still free to point out the obvious when confronted with Hawkeye delusions...that Iowa's better season records are generally a function of playing the equivalent of Kansas 7 times during each season. Further, our beating their butt on their home field and in Ames during the KF era...more often than not...is a clear demonstration of the fact that our team's abilities are greater than theirs. An argument that we make because Iowa and ISU are rivals...making this game important to both teams, though less so than either team's conference performance.
So CPR's job is to improve our play in conference AND to ensure we beat the weaker team's we play outside of the league...such as Iowa. He multi-tasks...of necessity, as do all coaches. His priority is obviously the Big 12, and that's where he has/is/will target his efforts, though it is a far more difficult task than beating up on weak Big Ten teams...which is why our success in league has been much harder to come by.
JFC. Thats some real ******* **** right here. This is a perfect example of the whiny punk *** defensive behavior I was talking about. What a bunch of excuses.
You know how the rest of the world compares two football programs? Win loss record. That's it. Iowa is a much more successful football program than we are. End of ******* story. It's not even debatable. It won't be debatable until we start having success against teams on our conference. It's asinine to try and say otherwise. And let's stop pretending we are playing some NFL schedule here. **** I'd be willing to bet the end of season SOS between ISU and Iowa hasn't even been that much different over the last 4-5 years.
But I digress. The issue we have isn't that we aren't on the same level as Iowa, it's that we are on the same level as KS.
I think an unbiased person outside the state views Iowa's football program as better than ISU's. Of course they'd need to be asked the question about the two programs specifically, because they otherwise wouldn't spend time thinking about either.
Right, and when you can't bring facts to backup your argument you resort to "cute".
Dude, you just blew your cover. Go back home to the Iowa Rivals board.
The irony of the bolded line is that it makes my point...being at a KS level IS being at a level higher than Iowa. Which explains the record disparity quite fully.
Oh, and just to show how idiotic your statements above were:
NCAA SOS Comparison:
2015
Iowa State #17
Iowa #100
2014
Iowa State #7
Iowa #85
Feel free to take it back to 2010 or so where you'll find consistently similar data!
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You really think the postseason polls is a good measure? Did you think UNI was one of the ten best teams in bball this year too?
It should be considered common sense by now buy here you go. The big 12 wasn't any good this year and it still managed to be better than the big 10. Who would have guessed that the big east would actually improve the quality of big 10 football.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/
Top 5
1 - OSU(1) - TCU (2) *Probably flipped is TCU gets the extra quality opponent OSU got
2 - MSU(6) - Baylor(7) *Good thing Baylor can't pick up an onside kick
3 - KSU(17) - Wisconsin (20)
4 - Oklahoma(28) - Nebraska(29)
5 - WVU(33) - Minnesota(38)
Even if you take the best of the Big 10, the east, it's still worse than the entire big 12. The west ranks below both ACC divisions and just above the Mountain division of the MWC. Ouch
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This thread is completely pathetic. After the last two seasons, we're in no position to mock Iowa's decline or SOS (especially since ISU lost to NDSU, UNI, KU). I was all for the SOS comparisons when ISU won six games, made a bowl, and Iowa would have one-two more wins due to poor SOS, however again after the last two years, it's completely pathetic and incorrect to bring up that. After the last two seasons, best to keep our mouths shut vs other fanbases until more wins come in.
Conf Power Ratings (2015)
1 SEC
2 Pac 12
3 Big 12
4 ACC
5 Big Ten
Long Term (Back to 2007)
Average Big 12 rating over past 8 years is 2.5
Average Big 10 rating over past 8 years is 3.9
The Big Ten has never placed 1st in Power Rating, the Big 12 has done so 2 times in this era.
In other words, there is no comparison...the Big 12 is a MUCH tougher conference. And that's held true for a decade, and the trend continues to grow stronger.
1 SEC
2 Pac 12
3 Big 12
4 ACC
5 Big Ten
Long Term (Back to 2007)
Average Big 12 rating over past 8 years is 2.5
Average Big 10 rating over past 8 years is 3.9
The Big Ten has never placed 1st in Power Rating, the Big 12 has done so 2 times in this era.
In other words, there is no comparison...the Big 12 is a MUCH tougher conference. And that's held true for a decade, and the trend continues to grow stronger.
That's the beauty of it, even after two awful seasons we ARE in perfect position to mock Iowa...because they are even worse. The data supports that view almost undeniably.
Yes.
Not that this is a high standard...its not. But as bad as we've been, they've been no better. Worse in fact, and we'll kick their butt once again this season to put the exclamation mark on it!
That said, we'll still measure our season by how we do in the Big 12 and against our other non-conference foes.
JFC.
saragin end of season SOS for both schools the past two years along with records...
2014 SOS
Iowa 60
ISU 15
2013 SOS
Iowa 43
ISU 23
Combined records during that period...
Iowa 15-13
ISU 5-19
Was our schedule more difficult? Sure. Was it worth ten games? **** no. ****** I can't believe you make me look up Iowa stats. But keep up with those lame *** excuses cause everyone knows in the real world excuses matter. I've known government employees who make less excuses than you.
Nope, but it WAS worth AT LEAST four games for both teams....putting them at roughly identical records (Iowa 11-17 and ISU 9-15. Given that, and the fact we've beaten Iowa more than they beat us....any objective analysis makes it clear we have the tougher team on the field. Given, they've both sucked in that time frame...but equivalently so.
Cygarin has done some excellent and relatively complete analysis on this topic...you should check them out. It will clarify things for you.
They are in a dream situation they can go 8-4 in a very respected league with a **** team because of the schedule.
Who else can do that?
The Big Ten should have been looking up to the ACC and Big 12 but TCU and Baylor stole votes from each other and were too similar and the B10 won it all. That conference was about to be permanantly pegged #5 out of the P5 conferences but TCU and Baylor stole too many votes from each other and were too damn similar.
Who else can do that?
The Big Ten should have been looking up to the ACC and Big 12 but TCU and Baylor stole votes from each other and were too similar and the B10 won it all. That conference was about to be permanantly pegged #5 out of the P5 conferences but TCU and Baylor stole too many votes from each other and were too damn similar.
So Iowa is weaker for beating up on a schedule of seven KUs while ISU can't even beat their own KU? You also stated CPR focuses on Big 12 games...so beating KU should have been easy. What about I-AA teams? They should be less than KU and we couldn't even beat them.
Reading through this thread....something about glass houses comes to mind....
I'm MUCH more worried about the state of our program than what's going on out East. I DO appreciate that they are on a downswing as it increases our chances of winning another game, but other than that I won't talk **** about them as ISU isn't in any better situation.
I'm MUCH more worried about the state of our program than what's going on out East. I DO appreciate that they are on a downswing as it increases our chances of winning another game, but other than that I won't talk **** about them as ISU isn't in any better situation.
Both schools are in a northern, low-population state with less than ideal recruiting capabilities. Neither have too optimistic of futures without a dynamic recruiting plan.
Just in case anyone in here doesn't realize. IOWA AND IOWA STATE BOTH SUCK. IOWA STATE SUCKS MORE. Some how we keep beating Iowa though.