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Sigmapolis said:
We will see, my friend. I would have liked to seen a little more consistency last year to pick them for some really big things next year, though.
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My pronouncements made at 3am are definitely going to be right ;). I agree with almost all of your points. I’m a big believer in kenpom and Sagarin as true measures of how good a team is. I just don’t think there is a big difference between team 10 and team 40 and am very confident in Weber’s ability to develop the guys he gets. He doesn’t recruit that well, but they always have players that are tough and they improve.

Sneed showed in the tournament that he has the ability to step up and do more. Diarra as well. I’ve made that contrarian argument against KSU (maybe just in my mind) based on those poor kenpom numbers, but really didn’t buy it.
 
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Doc said:
My pronouncements made at 3am are definitely going to be right ;). I agree with almost all of your points. I’m a big believer in kenpom and Sagarin as true measures of how good a team is. I just don’t think there is a big difference between team 10 and team 40 and am very confident in Weber’s ability to develop the guys he gets. He doesn’t recruit that well, but they always have players that are tough and they improve.

Sneed showed in the tournament that he has the ability to step up and do more. Diarra as well. I’ve made that contrarian argument against KSU (maybe just in my mind) based on those poor kenpom numbers, but really didn’t buy it.
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I see your points, but I just dislike this kind of "eye test" logic.

The "eye test" is why ESPN can trash the Big 12 in football even if computers like us, why traditional powers "make the cut" whenever something is controversial and in human hands (e.g., Ohio State and Alabama considered for the playoff but not an undefeated UCF that looked great in the computer rankings and advanced metrics and eventually beat Auburn pretty easily, the only team to beat Alabama last season), and why a great block by an Iowa State player must be holding and a great block by an Oklahoma player is just a great block.

I find the eye test a tool of oppression. This is not 1950. We have better ways now. :)

This reminds of that scene in Moneyball where the scouts are raving about how great some prospect is at hitting. Brad Pitt says, "If he hits so well, why does he not hit so well?" Brad was looking at the numbers in front of him, and the scouts were using the eye test. Brad is right. I kind of feel the same way about KSU looking at their numbers.
 
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Sigmapolis said:
I see your points, but I just dislike this kind of "eye test" logic.

The "eye test" is why ESPN can trash the Big 12 in football even if computers like us, why traditional powers "make the cut" whenever something is controversial and in human hands (e.g., Ohio State and Alabama considered for the playoff but not an undefeated UCF that looked great in the computer rankings and advanced metrics and eventually beat Auburn pretty easily, the only team to beat Alabama last season), and why a great block by an Iowa State player must be holding and a great block by an Oklahoma player is just a great block.

I find the eye test a tool of oppression. This is not 1950. We have better ways now. :)

This reminds of that scene in Moneyball where the scouts are raving about how great some prospect is at hitting. Brad Pitt says, "If he hits so well, why does he not hit so well?" Brad was looking at the numbers in front of him, and the scouts were using the eye test. Brad is right. I kind of feel the same way about KSU looking at their numbers.
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I don’t see the eye test as a tool of oppression as much as it is a tool to allow some degree of intuition into the analytical process. I think that as decades go by we will be able to put some of this intuition and “eye test” stuff to pen and paper and be able to measure it. We just aren’t there yet,

For example, toughness has become a very popular attribute in college basketball, but we still don’t have a very good way to measure it. We can measure strength with lifts, speed with sprints, but we aren’t as good at measuring resiliency. We just aren’t able to measure very well how quickly a guy makes his second jump for a rebound, how well a perimeter defender reacts to being knocked off his spot with a good screen.

I don’t put much confidence in my “eye test”’or Jay Bilas’s eye test, but I do think there are folks out there who are really good at it. I think Prohm is one of them. Gregg Marshall for sure is one of them.
 
CyTwins said:
I'm talking about that they did against us. Wade really didn't hurt ISU at all until last year and then he made us look silly
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Outside of ISU it still seems like a name that's been around forever.

Big dudes that could hit 3s liked playing ISU last year.
 
surly said:
Perry looked 'the old man' when he arrived at Ku. That made his stay seem even longer.

I remember him being recruited at K-State. Sitting behind the bench, Frank went off on one of his profanity-laced tantrums and Perry looked at his mother like, "No way in hell am I dealing with that dude."

I always admired his play and presence.
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I hate to admit it, but that was a good post by surly. o_O
 
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My expectations are high this year. Last year was a rebuilding year and most of us kept our expectations pretty low. I did have my hopes up at the beginning of the season but then quickly lowered them back to reality when we got to the b12. With basically the core of the team back and some added on talent I have high expectations this year.

Platoon 1

Babb
Wigginton
Shayok
Lard
Young

Platoon 2

Tucker
Nixon
Lewis
Talley
Jacobson

Small lineup

Wigginton
Nixon
Tucker
Talley
Shayok

Big lineup

Babb
Shayok
Talley
Lard
Young

Best player lineup (imo)

Babb
Wigginton
Tucker
Shayok
Lard

3 point lineup

Wigginton
Tucker
Lewis
Shayok
Talley

Defensive lineup

Babb
Wigginton
Tucker
Shayok
Lard
 
cyclones12321 said:
My expectations are high this year. Last year was a rebuilding year and most of us kept our expectations pretty low. I did have my hopes up at the beginning of the season but then quickly lowered them back to reality when we got to the b12. With basically the core of the team back and some added on talent I have high expectations this year.

Platoon 1

Babb
Wigginton
Shayok
Lard
Young

Platoon 2

Tucker
Nixon
Lewis
Talley
Jacobson

Small lineup

Wigginton
Nixon
Tucker
Talley
Shayok

Big lineup

Babb
Shayok
Talley
Lard
Young

Best player lineup (imo)

Babb
Wigginton
Tucker
Shayok
Lard

3 point lineup

Wigginton
Tucker
Lewis
Shayok
Talley

Defensive lineup

Babb
Wigginton
Tucker
Shayok
Lard
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We don't get Nixon this year.
 
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cyclones12321 said:
My expectations are high this year. Last year was a rebuilding year and most of us kept our expectations pretty low. I did have my hopes up at the beginning of the season but then quickly lowered them back to reality when we got to the b12. With basically the core of the team back and some added on talent I have high expectations this year.

Platoon 1

Babb
Wigginton
Shayok
Lard
Young

Platoon 2

Tucker
Nixon
Lewis
Talley
Jacobson

Small lineup

Wigginton
Nixon
Tucker
Talley
Shayok

Big lineup

Babb
Shayok
Talley
Lard
Young

Best player lineup (imo)

Babb
Wigginton
Tucker
Shayok
Lard

3 point lineup

Wigginton
Tucker
Lewis
Shayok
Talley

Defensive lineup

Babb
Wigginton
Tucker
Shayok
Lard
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Any defensive lineup that doesn't include Talley isn't a defensive lineup.
 
Lots of competition for minutes this year. It will be fun to see who rises to the top. Everyone should improve.
 
Solid Big 12 representation. Write up on Lindell..

Sometimes, a player’s athleticism manifests in one play. While the casual fan likely knows Wigginton’s name because of that dunk, his explosiveness helps him in other ways. He averaged 16.7 points, 3.7 rebounds and 2.8 assists as a freshman for Iowa State. Wigginton was easily the Cyclones’ best shot creator; it’s easy to understand why defenders struggled to stay in front of him. Wigginton can get to a spot whenever he feels like it because of his elite speed.

His efficiency needs to improve, but that should come with age. Wigginton has star potential.

 
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MartinCy said:
Solid Big 12 representation. Write up on Lindell..

Sometimes, a player’s athleticism manifests in one play. While the casual fan likely knows Wigginton’s name because of that dunk, his explosiveness helps him in other ways. He averaged 16.7 points, 3.7 rebounds and 2.8 assists as a freshman for Iowa State. Wigginton was easily the Cyclones’ best shot creator; it’s easy to understand why defenders struggled to stay in front of him. Wigginton can get to a spot whenever he feels like it because of his elite speed.

His efficiency needs to improve, but that should come with age. Wigginton has star potential.

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