Winner of this year's "He's STILL Playing?!" Award.
Expectations for 2018-2019
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I disagree. He never really did anything against us until this last year. When I think of the he's still playing type guys I think back to Perry Ellis and him crushing us our Big 12 tourney dreams as a freshman
If your position is that they are undeniably the second best team in the conference heading into next season, then they definitely are overrated.
If your position is they are going to jostle with a couple of other teams for position in the top half of the conference, then that is where they belong.
"Hotness" is overrated in sports. What you witnessed there was not a team suddenly becoming great and Final Four-quality, but rather the randomness that happens in a single-elimination tournament between teenagers playing basketball in weird gyms, with weird refs, in weird cities, with no familiarity to each other and little time to prepare. Stuff like this happens. Trying to reason your way to be much better than you were through the NCAA tournament, which is about as random as you can make it, is not a tenable position.
Oh wow, a #9 beat a number #8 and a #5? What shocking upsets.
Brown and Wade are going to be good. But -- like I said -- the problem is not who they have coming back, but (1.) what they accomplished last year in the conference, and (2.) the fact they really do not have anything new coming in this season. If they were really that good last year, then KSU should have finished higher in the ranking than it did.
KSU swept UT despite UT having a higher net rating. I guess a higher net rating always protects you? Oh wait, Loyola had a lower one and beat KSU.
Loyola still was an MVC school punching way above its weight. You lucked into a historically easy path to the Final Four and could not finish it off -- not that I blame you guys, but that is a perfect example of the randomness that can strike in March.
You seem to want to make it like I am trashing them. Far from it -- I have them in the top top-half. I have laid out a reasonable case against them.
I am sorry you cannot deal with it.
Heck, let me lay out a reasonable case against ISU...
NWB stays hurt, so does Young, other injuries keep nagging, Lard never returns
Wigginton insists on playing PG even if not very good at it, turnovers ensue
THT and the freshmen look like freshmen against Big 12 competition
Lewis still looks lost on defense, Talley still cannot shoot, etc.
Shayok and Jacobson are never really more than they were at UVA and Nebraska
Which means they are average starters, not guys who can carry teams
We have a lot of good players, but no real consistently great ones
We finish something like 5-13 or 6-12 in conference, Prohm is on the hot seat
A team that wasn't very good last year is more of the same inconsistency
Is it really that hard to swallow that?
Please don't try to validate trashing K-State, Siggy, by doing the same to Iowa State because your ISU case is your worst while your Wildcat case is, in your mind at least, your expected or at least hoped for. They are not the same.
In my view, both teams should be very good. But out of season is not the time to claim some sort of clarity about all that particularly when yours is dependant on minimizing my accomplishments from the last season.
In my view, both teams should be very good. But out of season is not the time to claim some sort of clarity about all that particularly when yours is dependant on minimizing my accomplishments from the last season.
Perry Ellis Dean Wade
5.8 ppg.........9.9
13.5..............9.3
13.8.............16.2
16.9.............tbd
I'm talking about that they did against us. Wade really didn't hurt ISU at all until last year and then he made us look silly
I guess it all comes down to you don't like being reminded you made it to the Elite Eight because the SS Virginia ran headlong into the UMBC iceberg?
Sorry, but the data over 30+ games and the double round-robin of the conference season is a better indicator of team quality than are NCAA tournament games. They carry some weight, but they are such coin flips, you have to discount them a little.
KSU was an average or slightly above average Big 12 team last year, which is saying something given the quality of the conference. They are likely to be that or maybe slightly better than that this next season. They have a lot coming back -- that is good, but that also means we have a good idea of who they are. Running back last year's team does not scream #2.
I more-or-less said that ISU could finish between #2 and #10 in the conference next season. I believe that. We have way more variability in our potential outcomes because so much of the roster is going to be new, we have so much coming back from injury, and maybe our two best players are (hopefully) going to make a freshman-to-sophomore leap.
Lard could be an all-conference guy or out of school by March. We just do not know.
I guess it all comes down to you don't like being reminded you made it to the Elite Eight because the SS Virginia ran headlong into the UMBC iceberg?
Sorry, but the data over 30+ games and the double round-robin of the conference season is a better indicator of team quality than are NCAA tournament games. They carry some weight, but they are such coin flips, you have to discount them a little.
KSU was an average or slightly above average Big 12 team last year, which is saying something given the quality of the conference. They are likely to be that or maybe slightly better than that this next season. They have a lot coming back -- that is good, but that also means we have a good idea of who they are. Running back last year's team does not scream #2.
I more-or-less said that ISU could finish between #2 and #10 in the conference next season. I believe that. We have way more variability in our potential outcomes because so much of the roster is going to be new, we have so much coming back from injury, and maybe our two best players are (hopefully) going to make a freshman-to-sophomore leap.
Lard could be an all-conference guy or out of school by March. We just do not know.
I believe most all of that makes good sense.
How many points did you score last season? Or are your accomplishments counted more on a comic sans per rival board used?
Well, Siggy was representing ISU, me K-State. That was the poorly made reference. Mea culpa.
CycloneErik
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ISU basketball threads are at their best when they talk about ISU basketball.
K-State threads just suck, like K-State itself.
K-State threads just suck, like K-State itself.
And you can't spell suck without KSU!!
It is the off-season. We can discuss conference rivals while we have some downtime. Why not. I do think @surly is kind of in the "the lady doth protest too much" stage about their NCAA tournament run last year. I would probably be irked about losing to an MVC school when you have two all-conference (in the Big 12) level players for a Final Four bid.
But hey, even good ISU teams lose to UNI. The Georges/Monté/Thomas/Nader/McKay team lost to them in Des Moines. Weird things happen in neutral site games.
He seems rather angry about the fact I am picking his team in the top half of a historical great basketball conference, though. I mean, chill out. Neither of us are KU.
But hey, even good ISU teams lose to UNI. The Georges/Monté/Thomas/Nader/McKay team lost to them in Des Moines. Weird things happen in neutral site games.
He seems rather angry about the fact I am picking his team in the top half of a historical great basketball conference, though. I mean, chill out. Neither of us are KU.
I have evaluated the contrarian viewpoint on KSU and really think it’s full of ****. They are going to be very good. This is going to be a very sound and talented team. I totally understand the kenpom and Sagarin arguments but they aren’t representative of how KSU will actually do.
Perry looked 'the old man' when he arrived at Ku. That made his stay seem even longer.
I remember him being recruited at K-State. Sitting behind the bench, Frank went off on one of his profanity-laced tantrums and Perry looked at his mother like, "No way in hell am I dealing with that dude."
I always admired his play and presence.
I remember him being recruited at K-State. Sitting behind the bench, Frank went off on one of his profanity-laced tantrums and Perry looked at his mother like, "No way in hell am I dealing with that dude."
I always admired his play and presence.
To be fair, I am pretty sure Melvin, Georges, and Naz won that award, too.