Ethanol is a joke!
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What wildlife habitats? You forgot to add that it burns cleaner, which is better for the environment. Also, as far as food prices go, the biggest reason food prices are going up is due to transportation costs, which ethanol actually HELPS. Ethanol plants have a "co-product" that still gets fed to cattle, so that argument is not as big as most people think.
Just my opinion, but I'd rather have our government give subsidies to an industry that not only helps the American farmer, but diverts some of the money from going to foreign oil. Ethanol is not the final answer, but it is a start in finding that answer.
Correct. You can use E10 in all cars but only the flex fuel cars can handle the E85.
All gasoline in the Metroplex is ethanol blend, for reasons 1 and 3 above. Detrimental MTBE concentrations were found in the local lakes, and the air pollution limits were routinely above EPA limits. Both problems have been reduced (particularly the MTBE issue) by using ethanol blended fuel.
the wildlife habitats that every farmer in america is plowing up so they can plant corn. look around. there is hardly any setaside left anymore. yes it burns cleaner, but how much extra pollutants go into the air to make it? a lot of emmisions from the plants i see. food prices are going up because farmers can't afford to feed their livestock corn anymore. it's 6 bucks a bushel and they are losing about 60 bucks a head right now. gluton is the bi-product you speak of and yes it is a cheap method to feed cattle, but you cannot only feed them gluton-it will kill them. i sell livestock and grain trailers for a living so i deal with this stuff on a daily basis. ethanol is not the answer.
At the rate crude prices are increasing, the subsides won't have to last too much longer...
You don't think that farming every single acre of land for ethanol is destroying wildlife habitat? Most farm fields pre-ethanol would have alot of bird cover left untouched. Since ethanol and the inflated corn prices, every last corner of every field is planted. Do you think it is a coicidence that Iowa's pheasant counts have dropped significantly over the last 5-10 years? It's not. Heck...try to find a covey of quail in Iowa anymore...it's damn near impossible...and yes...this is because of ethanol and the need for corn.
and at $6 a bushel, cattle and hog farmers are losing money feeding animals, therefore they are raising less. WE DON'T EAT FIELD CORN!!! extra corn doesn't mean extra food.
And your response to issue with declining wildlife populations in Iowa due to the so called "ethanol boom"??
Corn-based ethanol is not the answer. I think other forms of ethanol hold some promise.
You are dead on though about farmers trying to pull land out of CRP to farm it. I know the Bush Administration is taking a pretty hard line against those that are trying to pull it out to farm.
Buddy, you are living on a wealth of misinformation if you think ethanol is destroying wildlife habitat and inflating food prices. Your posts on this subject I would say fall into the "JOKE" category. What kind of tree hugger BS have you been reading to fall for this is what I want to know.:no:
I am not sure I even want to type up the facts because I have the feeling that you are too set it your way to waste my time.
Ethanol being blamed for higher food prices is the biggest crock of crap I have ever read. It couldn't be because trucks deliver the food to your local grocery store that get a whoppin 5mpg burning $4.20 / gall on diesel fuel because crude is trading at $129/barrel. That price on diesel fuel costs the trucker $.84/mi to drive his truck whether its full or empty when at $2/gall diesel fuel cost him $.40 a mile. But hey, lets blame ethanol even though the towel heads aren't getting quite as rich because of the misinformed writing articles trying to shift blame.
Maybe get some facts straight before you go spewing this crap.
I would like to hear how this comes about..........please humor me story teller.
crop farmers aren't making much more money with the high grain prices either, because most of them are paying cash rent to farm the land. the amount of rent they pay has skyrocketed with the high grain prices, plus they have to truck grain to the elevators with higher fuel prices. so basically, crop farmers are breaking even, everyone else is losing out, and i don't blame the land owners for having a farmer pay double to farm the land then what the gov't will to not farm it. if i owned land, i would do the same thing-despite my love of the outdoors and hunting.
You mean like the shrinking deer population? I guess ethanol must raise that one. The turkey poulation, no not that one either. It is foolish to point to one thing as the reason for an animal species decline. I would say that your nice new suburb that took 80 acres to build has more to do than anything.
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if you don't see that there is almost no crp left anymore, then you are blindly going into this discussion. fact is, look around. nobody has crp ground anymore due to $6 corn, which is that high because of ethanol.
Especially when deer, turkey, pheasant or you name it for wildlife thrive in bean and corn fields just as well as any timber.
Ethanol is not a joke.
Why did the man put the car in the oven?
Because he wanted a hot-rod.
Now that's a joke. But seriously...
Why did the man put the car in the oven?
Because he wanted a hot-rod.
Now that's a joke. But seriously...
so they can live in those fields for what, june, july, and august? what happens from harvest till planting time when there is no cover in those fields? i guess they will thrive on the dirt, bean stubble and chopped stalks.