Ending Iowa's Dominance

Or we just witnessed what many expect to be one of our best offenses get completely shut down and fail to score a single TD. We have better players at some spots, they do at others. The fact that folks cant admit that is silly.
I don't get why people thought this was going to be a good offense. I mean, I expected better than Saturday, but this was not a good offense last year, and losing the OC, best WR and best OL do not help. I'd say Iowa was the only good defense last year that ISU had a lot of success against. OU and OSU didn't really stop people. Baylor and WVU couldn't stop anybody, and ISU struggled. ISUs offense was great at not turning the ball over. Otherwise pretty unimpressive.
Honestly reading and listening to what Campbell has said about the OL since spring he never seemed convinced that this unit was going to take a big step forward this year in terms of on the field performance. He has been positive about depth and the younger guys in the program that with 2 or 3 years in the program should be very good, but I never got a good feeling about the OL for 2018 from Campbell.
Once/if ISU can get enough talent in the OL unit where most of our guys can be in the program for 2-3 years before they are needed to start, then I think we'll see a big improvement. ISU simply isn't there yet. I have confidence it will happen, but it takes a long time to develop that.
 
Beating Iowa matters. Why? Because they are in the Big 10. Did Oklahoma beating Ohio State last year matter? It's what kept Ohio State out of the CFP and got Oklahoma in it. Does anyone here not want to see TCU beat Ohio State? If the Big 12 (and Iowa State) are to stay relevant as a Power 5 conference (and a school) and reduce the risk of realignment, then beating other Power 5 schools with their media coverage matters, to include Iowa State beating Iowa. Iowa State has the chance to represent the Big 12 every year against a Big 10 team.

Secondly, we play Iowa every year, just like we play Oklahoma, Kansas State, Texas, Oklahoma State, etc. Therefore, it is not at all unlike our conference schedule. For those of you who are too young to remember, playing Iowa annually was legislatively required back in 1977. Therefore we will continue to play them annually. Beating Iowa, regularly, helps recruiting in-state, as well as regionally, as well as nationally, and keeping those recruits. For those who say we don't care about the in-state kids because they are not good enough, the TOE has been beating us with those kids for 4 straight years, and representing the Big 10 while doing it. Beating Iowa matters.

Thirdly, do we seriously go into each season and each game not desiring to win them all? Do we think Matt Campbell desires to beat Iowa, or does he just look to get past this annual game to focus on Big 12 teams? As a fan base, should we not care about winning all the games? Do we want a coach who wants/desires to win all the games? Then beating Iowa matters. If Iowa is truly a mediocre program, like we as Cyclone Nation like to proclaim, then we should not only desire to beat them but expect to beat them. Do any of us really want to lose to Akron and then proclaim the game doesn’t matter. Losing to Akron has negative connotations, and we know it. As an educated fan base (as compared to Iowa) this should be obvious.

Lastly, whether we like it or not, Iowa won the contest because Ferentz out-coached Campbell. Campbell’s philosophy is that the game is “won in the trenches”. This statement of truth is universally embraced by most, but in order to win in the trenches, you have to attack the flanks and create a weak spot in the trench. Campbell did not do this. Straight-up trench warfare, with nothing but toe-to-toe battles, results in stalemates and losses. A twist in the attack (game plan) is needed to create a weak point.

In what used to be my deployments and worldly travels, it drove me bat-crap crazy when unit leaders failed to recognize changing conditions, and what constitutes reaching decisive points and maintaining agility, because it lessens the ability to assess and make needed adjustments to win. I for one am tired of not beating the lowly “toe” and not being in a position to win every game throughout the game. And it drives me bat-crap crazy when our own educated fan base does not recognize the importance of beating Iowa – a Big 10 rival.

Truth. All of it.
 
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I think many people are forgetting that both teams are replacing a ton of starters on the OL from last year’s team.

ISU had to replace excellent OL players in Campos and Riviera. Campos is currently with the Cowboys. Mueller & Foster are only sophomores, they’ll get better. Newell and Downing are freshmen. I assume the line will be pretty salty in a couple years.

Iowa replaced 4 starters on the OL from last year’s game.
Myers
Boettger (Chiefs)
Daniels (Bears)
Welsh

I don’t think either team’s struggles on OL is much of a surprise.
 
Hard to say, given how different roles are for 4 man vs. 3 man DEs and with the differences in the two OLs. Bailey getting 7 sacks as a 3 man front DE last year is far more impressive than anything that any of the other DEs has done. I think A. Nelson, Epenesa, Hesse, Bailey and Uwazurike (though unproven) are all studs. The guys in the middle of the Iowa DL were better than I expected, but I'm not sure how much of that is the ISU OL.

Hard to take much stock in one game, especially games 1 and 2 for each team. The shootout from last years game didn't translate for either team as the season played out. No doubt I'm worried about the offense after that clunker, but no reason to panic yet.

The Nelson that plays DT is like 6'8 300. That is ideal size a 3-4 DE. Epenesa isnt really an Iowa kid but that guy would be getting significant PT for Alabama.
 
How many from the Big10 West?

114 players from the B1G West


Iowa: 26
Wisconsin: 25
Nebraska: 22
Illinois: 15
Purdue: 10
Northwestern: 9
Minnesota: 7

151 Players from the B1G East

Ohio State: 40
Penn State: 30
Michigan: 28
Michigan State: 19
Rutgers: 14
Indiana: 10
Maryland: 10

145 Players from Big XII

Oklahoma: 28
Texas: 28
West Virginia: 17
TCU: 16
Oklahoma State: 14
Texas Tech: 13
Baylor: 9
Kansas: 6
Iowa State: 4

Source: http://www.espn.com/nfl/college
 
I think many people are forgetting that both teams are replacing a ton of starters on the OL from last year’s team.

ISU had to replace excellent OL players in Campos and Riviera. Campos is currently with the Cowboys. Mueller & Foster are only sophomores, they’ll get better. Newell and Downing are freshmen. I assume the line will be pretty salty in a couple years.

Iowa replaced 4 starters on the OL from last year’s game.
Myers
Boettger (Chiefs)
Daniels (Bears)
Welsh

I don’t think either team’s struggles on OL is much of a surprise.

But Iowa returned 3 guys that started quite a few games last season (Jackson, Wirfs and Render). Boone and Ike barely played last year.
 
But Iowa returned 3 guys that started quite a few games last season (Jackson, Wirfs and Render). Boone and Ike barely played last year.

Jackson was a starter from game #1. Myers was an OG in 2017 along with Welsh, while Boettger was an OT. Boettger got hurt in the 3rd quarter of the ISU game last fall, but needless to say, the OL struggled for much of the season with consistency w/o Myers and Boettger.
 
114 players from the B1G West

Iowa: 26
Wisconsin: 25
Nebraska: 22
Illinois: 15
Purdue: 10
Northwestern: 9
Minnesota: 7

151 Players from the B1G East

Ohio State: 40
Penn State: 30
Michigan: 28
Michigan State: 19
Rutgers: 14
Indiana: 10
Maryland: 10

145 Players from Big XII

Oklahoma: 28
Texas: 28
West Virginia: 17
TCU: 16
Oklahoma State: 14
Texas Tech: 13
Baylor: 9
Kansas: 6
Iowa State: 4

Source: http://www.espn.com/nfl/college

This is the most recent and most accurate source:

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2018-09-11/colleges-most-represented-2018-nfl-rosters
 
A. Nelson and Hesse would both start for ISU at DE this season.

Maybe, but again, this is by far not the problem on ISU's team. Even if you think Nelson and Hesse are better, you're probably going to get 95% of their ability from Enyi and Bailey.

A lot of you will never cease to play second fiddle to the Hoks. Unfortunately, I think it is already programmed in your brains. Outside of their offensive line and maybe tight ends, they don't really have any position groups I would trade with our team.

I agree with this. I don't think anybody other than their offensive line is a big upgrade. Everything else is debatable. The problem is that OL difference isn't debatable - it's a chasm.
 
The inability by some to recognize that Iowa may have some talented players from the state is baffling. If we were to simply add Wirfs and Render from their OL this team would be much improved. Sometimes people need to recognize that while we all hate Iowa you can still admit they have a few talented players. Particularly on the lines, where we tend to struggle the most as of late


Just for the record....I will never admit Iowa is good at anything....****iowa and the horse they rode in on!!!!
 
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The series needs to be dropped in football. Look at what happened this year: we lose our starting QB, have to play a defensive strategy we will never use again the rest of the season and face a pissed off team a week before our real season begins. Brutal
 
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The series needs to be dropped in football. Look at what happened this year: we lose our starting QB, have to play a defensive strategy we will never use again the rest of the season and face a pissed off team a week before our real season begins. Brutal

Probably should have just sat Kempt if we’re being honest.
 
Beating Iowa matters. Why? Because they are in the Big 10. Did Oklahoma beating Ohio State last year matter? It's what kept Ohio State out of the CFP and got Oklahoma in it. Does anyone here not want to see TCU beat Ohio State? If the Big 12 (and Iowa State) are to stay relevant as a Power 5 conference (and a school) and reduce the risk of realignment, then beating other Power 5 schools with their media coverage matters, to include Iowa State beating Iowa. Iowa State has the chance to represent the Big 12 every year against a Big 10 team.

Secondly, we play Iowa every year, just like we play Oklahoma, Kansas State, Texas, Oklahoma State, etc. Therefore, it is not at all unlike our conference schedule. For those of you who are too young to remember, playing Iowa annually was legislatively required back in 1977. Therefore we will continue to play them annually. Beating Iowa, regularly, helps recruiting in-state, as well as regionally, as well as nationally, and keeping those recruits. For those who say we don't care about the in-state kids because they are not good enough, the TOE has been beating us with those kids for 4 straight years, and representing the Big 10 while doing it. Beating Iowa matters.

Thirdly, do we seriously go into each season and each game not desiring to win them all? Do we think Matt Campbell desires to beat Iowa, or does he just look to get past this annual game to focus on Big 12 teams? As a fan base, should we not care about winning all the games? Do we want a coach who wants/desires to win all the games? Then beating Iowa matters. If Iowa is truly a mediocre program, like we as Cyclone Nation like to proclaim, then we should not only desire to beat them but expect to beat them. Do any of us really want to lose to Akron and then proclaim the game doesn’t matter. Losing to Akron has negative connotations, and we know it. As an educated fan base (as compared to Iowa) this should be obvious.

Lastly, whether we like it or not, Iowa won the contest because Ferentz out-coached Campbell. Campbell’s philosophy is that the game is “won in the trenches”. This statement of truth is universally embraced by most, but in order to win in the trenches, you have to attack the flanks and create a weak spot in the trench. Campbell did not do this. Straight-up trench warfare, with nothing but toe-to-toe battles, results in stalemates and losses. A twist in the attack (game plan) is needed to create a weak point.

In what used to be my deployments and worldly travels, it drove me bat-crap crazy when unit leaders failed to recognize changing conditions, and what constitutes reaching decisive points and maintaining agility, because it lessens the ability to assess and make needed adjustments to win. I for one am tired of not beating the lowly “toe” and not being in a position to win every game throughout the game. And it drives me bat-crap crazy when our own educated fan base does not recognize the importance of beating Iowa – a Big 10 rival.


If you remember correctly it was ISU that got Jonnie Hammond of Ames (state legislator if I remember correctly) who threatened to withold money from the Univ of Iowa or TOE unless they played an annual football against ISU. If the choke eyes had their way they would have never played the game because they thought rightly or wrongly that they ... TOE had nothing to gain by winning the game and everything to lose if they lost the game....

You have to remember that TOE had 20 losing seasons before playing ISU and resurrecting their football fortunes because of losing to ISU 31-0 in 1978......I am convinced that without playing ISU that TOE would still be losing football games and couldnt care less....In their logic they have to beat ISU into submission every game or they fear LOSING THEIR FANBASE.....who knows they could be right and FEAR is a tremendous motivator....

The loser of the cy hawk game esp over an extended period of time will play hell recruiting instate players...

So yes I agree its a very important game re recruiting and fanbase retention.....
 
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If you remember correctly it was ISU that got Jonnie Hammond of Ames (state legislator if I remember correctly) who threatened to withold money from the Univ of Iowa or TOE unless they played an annual football against ISU. If the choke eyes had their way they would have never played the game because they thought rightly or wrongly that they ... TOE had nothing to gain by winning the game and everything to lose if they lost the game....

You have to remember that TOE had 20 losing seasons before playing ISU and resurrecting their football fortunes because of losing to ISU 31-0 in 1978......I am convinced that without playing ISU that TOE would still be losing football games and couldnt care less....In their logic they have to beat ISU into submission every game or they fear LOSING THEIR FANBASE.....who knows they could be right and FEAR is a tremendous motivator....

The loser of the cy hawk game esp over an extended period of time will play hell recruiting instate players...

So yes I agree its a very important game re recruiting and fanbase retention.....

You think Iowa's success over the last 40 years is simply tied to starting to play and beat ISU?
 
The series needs to be dropped in football. Look at what happened this year: we lose our starting QB, have to play a defensive strategy we will never use again the rest of the season and face a pissed off team a week before our real season begins. Brutal


I would Love to see this series in football dropped but its never gonna happen....we will win a few and TOE will win the vast majority of the games, and it will be business as usual like it has been since 1979....the year TOE finally hired a football coach...sad but true
 

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