Last year I would say that ISU was the better team but didn't play well that day. This year ISU looks so bad on O and special teams that unless it was first week jitters Iowa is easily better.
Ending Iowa's Dominance
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Last year I would say that ISU was the better team but didn't play well that day. This year ISU looks so bad on O and special teams that unless it was first week jitters Iowa is easily better.
Hellsbells I would rather have Ray Lima and David Montgomery than anyone on the Coke Eyes er Choke Eyes......
I gave you like 8 position groups! I would hardly call that cherry picking. The OP was about recruiting players from the state of Iowa and then all of a sudden all the Hawks on here started talking about the NFL. LOL.
The only better native Iowa players on your roster are on your offensive line this year. Therefore I was making the argument that we wouldn't benefit at all from trying to compete with Iowa for instate recruits. So unless you got more than Anthony Nelson, we're done here.
Parker Hesse is from Waukon and he's a starting DE opposite Anthony Nelson. He's a 4 year starter on the Iowa DL. Would you take TJ Hockensen at TE? He's a native Iowan and a starter. Matt Nelson is a DT from Cedar Rapids. He'd start at a lot of schools (2nd year starter) and he's the one that planted Kempt on his back in the 3rd quarter.
I'll take Uwazurike, Lima, Bailey, and our linebackers. Heck, our whole defensive line and secondary over any of them.
I don't know the Iowa roster well enough, nor do I care enough to go through position groups. I do know they seem to get significant contributions from Iowa kids, including former walk ons year in and year out. I also know they've sent a lot of Iowa kids to the NFL over the last several years. To think that being more competitive recruiting these kids wouldn't benefit our program is just stupid.
"Our program"? Aren't you a Hok fan?
Given my druthers, I would take Iowa's DL unit in a heartbeat.
The inability by some to recognize that Iowa may have some talented players from the state is baffling. If we were to simply add Wirfs and Render from their OL this team would be much improved. Sometimes people need to recognize that while we all hate Iowa you can still admit they have a few talented players. Particularly on the lines, where we tend to struggle the most as of late
The DL is just a dumb argument. They play 4 down. We play 3. Nobody on their team could play Lima’s spot. Plus, our DL is just fine.
The OL... you’d probably trade all 5 starters if we were being honest.
The OL... you’d probably trade all 5 starters if we were being honest.
A lot of you will never cease to play second fiddle to the Hoks. Unfortunately, I think it is already programmed in your brains. Outside of their offensive line and maybe tight ends, they don't really have any position groups I would trade with our team.
Yet a lot of you still agree with these idiots and boost up their pride. They're here to brag, gloat, or troll (not all of them, but most) and a lot of you just take that ****.
Iowa's "dominance" on the field the last few years has been razor thin, but unfortunately they still hold a psychological dominance over many Clone fans. Rant over.
Yet a lot of you still agree with these idiots and boost up their pride. They're here to brag, gloat, or troll (not all of them, but most) and a lot of you just take that ****.
Iowa's "dominance" on the field the last few years has been razor thin, but unfortunately they still hold a psychological dominance over many Clone fans. Rant over.
Iowa's average margin of victory the last 4 seasons over ISU has been 16.5 PPG.
Iowa's average margin of victory the last 15 seasons (10 wins) over ISU has been 16.1 PPG. In that same period, ISU has won 5 times by an average of 6.2 PPG.
ISU has beaten Iowa by 10+ points 3 times in the past 36 seasons.
Talk about razor thin.
As a non-native Iowan, I don't give a flying fig about the Iowa game, beyond our performance in said game. To me, it's a game that we needed only because we had one game removed from our schedule, lowering our margin of error this season. Beyond that, in perspective, it's a non-con game that counts as much as the Akron or any other non-con game we've played in the past 3 years.
In my mind, the only games that matter are the ones we play with teams that affect our winning the B12 Championship, anything else is gravy.
As far as recruiting, winning games, all games, is the deciding factor in whether we get a recruit. That, and playing time. I don't care where we get the recruits, as long as they fit the scheme, buy into what coach is selling, and are the best players available.
In my mind, the only games that matter are the ones we play with teams that affect our winning the B12 Championship, anything else is gravy.
As far as recruiting, winning games, all games, is the deciding factor in whether we get a recruit. That, and playing time. I don't care where we get the recruits, as long as they fit the scheme, buy into what coach is selling, and are the best players available.
Beating Iowa matters. Why? Because they are in the Big 10. Did Oklahoma beating Ohio State last year matter? It's what kept Ohio State out of the CFP and got Oklahoma in it. Does anyone here not want to see TCU beat Ohio State? If the Big 12 (and Iowa State) are to stay relevant as a Power 5 conference (and a school) and reduce the risk of realignment, then beating other Power 5 schools with their media coverage matters, to include Iowa State beating Iowa. Iowa State has the chance to represent the Big 12 every year against a Big 10 team.
Secondly, we play Iowa every year, just like we play Oklahoma, Kansas State, Texas, Oklahoma State, etc. Therefore, it is not at all unlike our conference schedule. For those of you who are too young to remember, playing Iowa annually was legislatively required back in 1977. Therefore we will continue to play them annually. Beating Iowa, regularly, helps recruiting in-state, as well as regionally, as well as nationally, and keeping those recruits. For those who say we don't care about the in-state kids because they are not good enough, the TOE has been beating us with those kids for 4 straight years, and representing the Big 10 while doing it. Beating Iowa matters.
Thirdly, do we seriously go into each season and each game not desiring to win them all? Do we think Matt Campbell desires to beat Iowa, or does he just look to get past this annual game to focus on Big 12 teams? As a fan base, should we not care about winning all the games? Do we want a coach who wants/desires to win all the games? Then beating Iowa matters. If Iowa is truly a mediocre program, like we as Cyclone Nation like to proclaim, then we should not only desire to beat them but expect to beat them. Do any of us really want to lose to Akron and then proclaim the game doesn’t matter. Losing to Akron has negative connotations, and we know it. As an educated fan base (as compared to Iowa) this should be obvious.
Lastly, whether we like it or not, Iowa won the contest because Ferentz out-coached Campbell. Campbell’s philosophy is that the game is “won in the trenches”. This statement of truth is universally embraced by most, but in order to win in the trenches, you have to attack the flanks and create a weak spot in the trench. Campbell did not do this. Straight-up trench warfare, with nothing but toe-to-toe battles, results in stalemates and losses. A twist in the attack (game plan) is needed to create a weak point.
In what used to be my deployments and worldly travels, it drove me bat-crap crazy when unit leaders failed to recognize changing conditions, and what constitutes reaching decisive points and maintaining agility, because it lessens the ability to assess and make needed adjustments to win. I for one am tired of not beating the lowly “toe” and not being in a position to win every game throughout the game. And it drives me bat-crap crazy when our own educated fan base does not recognize the importance of beating Iowa – a Big 10 rival.
Hard to say, given how different roles are for 4 man vs. 3 man DEs and with the differences in the two OLs. Bailey getting 7 sacks as a 3 man front DE last year is far more impressive than anything that any of the other DEs has done. I think A. Nelson, Epenesa, Hesse, Bailey and Uwazurike (though unproven) are all studs. The guys in the middle of the Iowa DL were better than I expected, but I'm not sure how much of that is the ISU OL.
Hard to take much stock in one game, especially games 1 and 2 for each team. The shootout from last years game didn't translate for either team as the season played out. No doubt I'm worried about the offense after that clunker, but no reason to panic yet.