Eli King enters the Portal

[CyCloned]

Next years team should be way more talented if we can find a shooter in the portal and sorry for having high expectations. We’re only in the best conference in the country

There is absolutely no reason ISU shouldn't be able to find a couple guards that can shoot. Guard is the absolute easiest position to field, simply because there are a lot more athletic 6' to 6' 4" guys out there. Honestly almost every Big 12 team had 3 guards that were better shooters than the ISU guards. Loved the hustle and defense of the ISU guards, but shooting wise it was a struggle a lot of nights.

 

[t-noah]

Good luck Eli. Wishing you the best!

 

[Gunnerclone]

I don’t want to be too negative, but we haven’t really won a transfer portal since Hoiberg was coaching. Only a handful have been somewhat successful

All the one and done season guys were meh besides Brockington and Gabe is the only one to actually play out his career here.

Is that the goal? Or is the goal to get to the NCAA tournament?

 

[NoCreativity]

Find me a roster where every guy, in every class, has stuck around for all 4-5 years

Lol, im asking for 1 or 2 four year guys a decade, not every guy in every class. I don't think that's unrealistic.

 

[cybychoice]

Umm including only Prohm and Otzelberger recruits...

Darrell Bowie (not a Big 12 starter but fine in a bench/rotation role)
Donovan Jackson (excellent shooter, would love to have him next season)
Marial Shayok (one of the best transfers of the Transfer U era)
Michael Jacobson (again, would love to have him coming in next year)
Rasir Bolton (wasn't a culture fit with TJ, but still an excellent player)
Jalen Coleman-Lands (another guy I'd love to have coming in next year)
Blake Hinson (didn't play for Iowa State, but he tore it up on offense at Pitt)
Iz Brockington (first-team all-Big 12, an excellent two-way college SG)
Gabe Kalscheur (similar to Brockington only with more emphasis on defense)
Tre King III (flashed at times this past season, hopefully will be very good next year)
Jaz Kunc (sort of a "Mario" player... few incredible strengths but no real weaknesses)
Caleb Grill (obviously it ended badly but he was playing well there for 1.5 seasons)
Jaren Holmes (HM all-Big 12, would be very happy to have him back)
Osun Osunniyi (HM all-Big, again would be very happy to have him back)

Plenty of guys who were quality or even excellent Big 12 players up there.

Give me a lineup with 6-7 of any of them with a reasonable distribution across guards/forward and you've made yourself an NCAA tournament team in pretty much every instance.

Give me Holmes, Brockington, Shayok, Jacobson, King, Osunniyi, Kalscheur, and Grill or Kunc, and you got 8 guys that can give you multiple versatile lineups that would have done damage on the court this year.

 

[DeBruzzio]

Will a great shooting guard cost 1M like Tyrese recieved?

 

[CycloneErik]

You and I are either watching different games or you have wildly unrealistic expectations.

If he'd called Jaz a flop, that would at least be creative.

 

[madguy30]

If you couldn’t see the reason Hinson never played here and was shown the door, then your arguments come from a person who really doesn’t understand what foundation is being built here.

Guy who didn't seem to care what the O was running and made sophomore Wigginton look bought in on defense.

 

[CycloneVet]

Guy who didn't seem to care what the O was running and made sophomore Wigginton look bought in on defense.

Exactly

 

[NoCreativity]

Guy who didn't seem to care what the O was running

You have exclusive access to practice back in the fall of 2021 or something?

 

[MyNameEhJeff]

Lol, im asking for 1 or 2 four year guys a decade, not every guy in every class. I don't think that's unrealistic.

21-22 we had George Conditt. 20-21 we had Solomon Young. Had a 3 year stretch of home runs or strike outs on the recruiting trail. 16-17 we had Monte, Naz, and Matt Thomas. 15-16 we had Niang. 13-14 we had Palo and Ejim.

In the last decade we’ve had 1/2 the rosters with at least one 4th year (and 2 rosters with 5th year) seniors on them.

Unfortunately we’ve had 3 coaches over the last 10 years, attrition is going to naturally happen with new coaches.

Either way, your exaggerated complaint is asinine. Personally, I would rather a guy like Eli King, who may or may not have been a recruiting miss, to transfer out, and bring in a transfer who has at least one year of proven experience under his belt.

But if you want guys like Eli King, Jakolby Long, Zion Griffin, or anyone from our 2019 or 2020 recruiting class (sans maybe Grill) to stick around just to be heralded 4 year guys despite the fact that they’re not big 12 caliber players, then I don’t want to hear your b itching when we don’t make the tourney

 

[4theCYcle]

Shayock was meh?

That's what came to my mind with his comment. Shayok was a silent assassin. I'd love to have his ability right now. He had this quiet alpha presence that just took over in games. Crazy how much talent that team had on it and the lack of ceiling it reached.

 

[CycloneVet]

You have exclusive access to practice back in the fall of 2021 or something?

All I had to do was watch him play us, which was a big game for him and he still was barely involved

 

[NoCreativity]

But if you want guys like Eli King, Jakolby Long, Zion Griffin, or anyone from our 2019 recruiting class (sans maybe Grill) to stick around just to be heralded 4 year guys despite the fact that they’re not big 12 caliber players, then I don’t want to hear your b itching when we don’t make the tourney

Yep, totally the kind of players I was talking about when I said I wanted a few 4 year guys.

And no offense to Solomon Young or Conditt, but they weren't guys that could be the face of the program like a Monte Morris or Naz Long.

 

[4theCYcle]

I'm not sure what you're trying to get at or argue?
Iowa St hasn't been as good on transfers since Hoiberg? Well no ****, Hoiberg was a forefather when it comes to basketball transfers.
Past that, TJ has been pretty damn good, even if it's "out of necessity." He's not in the tournament the last two years without Brockington, Gabe, and Grill.

It's almost like they're forgetting that TJ was a part of that program helping steer a lot of those transfers our way, but yet forgetting that even though ISU was at the forefront of a lot of it, that not only does ISU have to compete more with the bluebloods landing these players as they've figured out transfers are valuable, those bluebloods have money, even the next tiers have money so the playing field is more level now. ISU can't live off the name transfer U anymore. TJ just has to find a mix and utilize every corner of the market in order to compile a roster that can compete in one of the toughest conferences. Things definitely aren't getting easier for him thats for sure lol.

 

[madguy30]

You have exclusive access to practice back in the fall of 2021 or something?

It's based on my observations in watching him in a couple of games.

 

[NoCreativity]

All I had to do was watch him play us, which was a big game for him and he still was barely involved

Lol, so you've made you determination off of 1 game?

He was 2nd team all ACC this year, along with guys like Filipowski and Trequavuon Smith.

I think it's safe for people to question why he didn't workout here. He does a fundamental of the game very well and here we are setting futility records in the Ncaa tourney. We couldn't even make a free throw last Friday.

 

[NoCreativity]

It's based on my observations in watching him in a couple of games.

Well, maybe you should watch more because he was 2nd team all ACC.

 

[CycloneErik]

It's based on my observations in watching him in a couple of games.

Yeah, playing hard is definitely not that guy's thing.
I was impressed to see at one point that he took one of the most uncoordinated 3s I've ever seen.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Not even mentioning the maestro of the mid range Jeff Beverly smh

How could I forget him! He had enough talent to win NPOTY...

Spoiler

...at the NAIA level.

Give me Holmes, Brockington, Shayok, Jacobson, King, Osunniyi, Kalscheur, and Grill or Kunc, and you got 8 guys that can give you multiple versatile lineups that would have done damage on the court this year.

That's a good lineup. My list lacked a true PG, so I am going to "cheat" and bring in Nick Weiler-Babb...

Weiler-Babb
Kalscheur
Brockington
Shayok
Osunniyi
---
Holmes
King III
Jacobson

The starting lineup is the same as the 2019 squad except replacing freshmen Haliburton and Horton-Tucker with Kalscheur and Brockington -- the former two were supremely talented but very young players at the time, so that is a significant upgrade in productivity, defense, and experience -- and swapping out Jacobson for Osunniyi. That starting lineup is going to have a lot of length and defensive ability. The bench would be better, deeper, and more versatile (and at least attempt to play defense) than just Wigginton and Lard.

So if the actual roster got a #6 seed, what's the upgraded one get? #3 or so?

I don't get how one can say "the transfers since Hoiberg left have sucked." There's been some bad ones, but they've generally been some of our best players on teams that made the NCAA tournament.

That's what came to my mind with his comment. Shayok was a silent assassin. I'd love to have his ability right now. He had this quiet alpha presence that just took over in games. Crazy how much talent that team had on it and the lack of ceiling it reached.

Shayok is still probably the third-best transfer of the Transfer U era after Royce and Kane.

111.9 ORTG at 26.9% usage
Excellent defender
87.8% FT shooter
38.4% three-point shooter
Drilled some big shots

The toxic attitude the fanbase has about the 2018-19 season is unfortunate. It takes away from the excellent year that Shayok had, and one we should all look back upon very fondly.