I've heard ISU fans say that about Ogelsby too but I know him personally and know he's a good official.
Doug Sirmens is crooked
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I think the combo of the recent Tech debacle, the WV missed layup and frustration with refs in that game, combined with a horrible performance against OSU made him snap. Who knows what that punk Asbery said to him. But yes, what Grill did is the same kind of crap we hate about the McCaffreys.
I appreciate the observation and insight. Perhaps he was just having an off day. I think sometimes we forget that refs are human and can have outside things in their life affect behavior and performance. I have no idea if that is the case but I don’t think any of us are on top of things everyday.
Glad to see that some of us have gone full hawk fan mode on here. By that I mean, blaming the refs. If you want to blame the refs for a game look at the end of the Duke-Virginia. I hate Duke but calling a foul and then rescinding it after the replay, which then they lost then game in overtime.
OSU made the shots the last five minutes of the game and we didn’t.
OSU made the shots the last five minutes of the game and we didn’t.
Once Iowa State stopped their fast break/secondary break that’s when play can be stopped. If the didn’t pull the ball back and start running a set, they may not have stopped play.
Art. 6. Suspends play immediately when necessary to protect an injured player. In determining whether to stop play under this Article 6 or Article 7 below, when either an offensive or defensive player appears to be injured, officials should always give priority to protecting the injured player by stopping the game immediately when the health or safety of the player appears to be at issue.
Art. 7. Suspends play after the ball is dead or controlled by the injured player’s team or when the opponents complete a play after an opposing player is injured.
a) A play shall be completed when a team withholds the ball from play by ceasing to attempt to score or advance the ball to a scoring position.
The radio broadcast on several occasions noted that Sirmons seemed odd during this game.
John and Eric were commenting on his demeanor throughout the game on the radio broadcast. At one point I guess he was defending a call that Amy (the female ref) made, and I think it was John said something like "let Amy defend her own call, I'm not sure why Doug feels like he needs to do it for her."
Anyone know what Doug's reffing schedule has been like lately? I know the ref workloads have become a bit of a hot topic here recently, I wonder if he's feeling overworked.
I was disappointed in the fans tonight. We are in the hunt for a conference title and the fans only came to their feet once the whole game. The upper deck student section was mostly empty. It was not a magical atmosphere last night.
No need to ban the cry about the refs comments- the majority of our fans have done a good job of calling these posts out…that’s more telling than banning it.
Seriously? Disappointed in the fans? The team completely imploded today and no amount of fan support during the game was going to change that. Do fans miss layups or turn the ball over? Do they sap momentum by making bad fouls at in opportune times?
There was a lot to be disappointed about today, but fan support was not one of them. It was a solid atmosphere.
Injury status has nothing to do with attitude…that’s what’s being criticized here.It’s almost like Grill is playing through an injury, like I don’t know, a bad back or something. Really strange.
His play was a reflection of his attitude, the missed shots, the FTs, the unnecessary fouls.
I didn't think the crowd was too bad. The team was lethargic all night. In not saying that to blame them because they usually play their butts off. Just hope it was an off night and we get back to our style soon.
One other thing on Sirmens. I was sitting right behind okie st bench and in the 2nd half there was a blocking foul called on the cowboys and Boynton was yelling it was a charge. As our player was actually shooting the free throw sirmens walked towards him and yelled no it wasn't Mike it was a total flop. If it was a flop Doug isn't that a T? Very strange last night.
I couldn't get a gauge at all last night on what was a flop/charge/block.
This was my main complaint about the officiating. You just had no idea. I was wrong at guessing the call 80% of the time when I usually get it right about 80% of the time. I also thought the cowboys got away with 2 travels late in the game as well. Missing the front end of the one and bonus four times plus sub 50% free throw shooting was the difference though.
If it was the lady ref it was a block, otherwise it was a charge.
But the break was not completed, it was being swung around for a wide open three pointer. Mid whistle
At least on TV it looked like a 4-6" pool of blood on the court from the hit to his face.
The refs let ISU score quickly, when that didn't happen they stopped play. Player safety comes first.
The WVU was a rough game for the refs, but ISU coaches and players need to adjust. It's very possible Big12 officials are consciously reacting to ISU's style of defense after 2 years of games and watching tape.
From what I can see officials are not calling fouls on physical/body up defense. And they allow a lot of physical play on cutters. But officials are really tough on moving screens and playing defense with your hands.
Yes, I can see the disparity of calls and the bad calls at WV. To carry that over to this game doesn't make any sense. It seemed to me that the reason we lost the OSU game is we didn't play well enough. It wasn't the refs.
We were bound to lose one at Hilton this year. We may lose one or more still, unless we play better! We had a bad game, OKSt is pretty good.