Deace On Jon Miller Show Now
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Changing the subject a little but did Deace have any comments on his Wolverines being 0-2 after two HOME games?
Armount - I have heard the same thing....Something about Blythe has great talent, but is very lazy...Chizik said don't let the door hit you is the a$$ on the way out.
If Chizik is taking a harder line I appluad him. To often I felt Mac was great at making excuses for the players without huge expectations placed on them. Chizik comes from more environments at Auburn and Texas where the attitude is win or walk.
If Blythe buys into this it will only help him down the line. He is a borderline NFL player in my opinion. Getting jump balls is a heck of a lot more difficult in the NFL than in college football. He needs to be a better route runner, blocker and competitor. Nobody in the NFL cares about any records you set at college. Blythe should be busting his butt for purely selfish reasons if nothing else.
If Blythe buys into this it will only help him down the line. He is a borderline NFL player in my opinion. Getting jump balls is a heck of a lot more difficult in the NFL than in college football. He needs to be a better route runner, blocker and competitor. Nobody in the NFL cares about any records you set at college. Blythe should be busting his butt for purely selfish reasons if nothing else.
I assumed this might happen. Just sad it did. These kids have 4 or 5 years at ISU, most of them less since they aren't freshman anymore. Chiz has a 6 year contract. Time to jump on board boys, he's going to outlast you. He's in on some more juco's - nobody's irreplaceable.
This is what makes CF so great. Deace went down the road, but it took CF posts to connect the dots and make sense. If this player/coach posturing is indeed what is occurring, then I feel a bit more comfortable in this early process. The underclassmen and team's future will be much better off if Chizik shows that the "we" is more important than the "I" and no players will be coddled regardless of talent level.
This might be why the passing game has been so suspect. Blythe and Meyer are buddies, so if Todd was called out there is likely some behind the scenes animosity festering. It would be especially disconcerting if they were team leaders, but they're really not outside of one being QB. We haven't had one since Hobbs. It will be interesting to see who steps up later this year or next. And maybe another reason the Arnoud/Bates era begins sooner rather than later.
This might be why the passing game has been so suspect. Blythe and Meyer are buddies, so if Todd was called out there is likely some behind the scenes animosity festering. It would be especially disconcerting if they were team leaders, but they're really not outside of one being QB. We haven't had one since Hobbs. It will be interesting to see who steps up later this year or next. And maybe another reason the Arnoud/Bates era begins sooner rather than later.
If Blythe (and others) are playing lethargically because they have some beef with Chizik, then I say show them the bench for the rest of the year. I'll bet you can find someone on the team that would gladly take their place and play their butts off. I'd take 1 Lane Danielson over 5 pansies like Blythe any day of the week. You think Wallace Franklin/Milan Moses/Euseph Messiah wouldn't like to take Blythe's spot? I say let them play if Todd is pouting like a 4-year old girl.
The KSU comparisons is a good one. I'm not surprised by the adversity. If individuals start putting themselves before the team, it's going to be a problem. You don't want the inmates running the asylum. I think GC will give the upper class men a few more weeks to buy into the system.
If they aren't getting it done, I suspect there will be a major shift in focus toward the development of underclassmen.
I might throw out the comparison to Gene Hackmen in "Hoosiers" to this. Gene, like Gene, is going to let them fail until they decide to get on board - he is going to make the players adapt to him and not the other way around. And frankly I love the way Hackmen completely ignored the 'town-folks' as to what they thought he should be doing.
GC is going to do just fine. Give the players the rope and they'll either get on board or hang themselves.
GC is going to do just fine. Give the players the rope and they'll either get on board or hang themselves.
I like my way of describing it moreI don't think it's fair to say he hasn't earned their respect but I think there's obviously different styles of play that are being worked out. Mac was a fairly mellow coach and Chizik is very emotional and agressive and it's taking everybody time to adjust. I think that's to be expected when such a different style of coaching comes in.
You have never been to a practice that Mac was part of if you think he was "fairly mellow"
Way off mark with that comment.
Yeah, Mac was not mellow. Probably the most intense guy I've ever met (Haven't met Chiz yet). I agree that they're styles are totally different, and Gene seems to be more of a disciplinarian than Mac, but mellow is not the word for Mac. I'm happy we have, as someond put it, a coach and leader rather than a father. Let the assistants be the nice guys and have Gene throw-down and demand perfection.
I would have to agree with cyboy on this one. I've had a conversation with an Iowa player who stated after watching Iowa State practice when he was a prospect, he thought that Mac and staff chewed out the players too much and didn't want to be a part of that.
I would not be suprised if Deace picked up as his source the thread by ISUclones33 from earlier on CF.
Everyone needs to take a deep breathe and relax. Several times in my career I have gone into companies that I have bought and cleaned house. It is never easy, but I can only imagine how hard it is to get attitude changes out of 19-22 year olds that have been treated like gods all the way thru high school and college. I think I am going to leave it to the guy getting paid all the $$$ to figure out the best way to do it. Gene really does have more to lose than any of us in this game!
I hope to watch them get better as the year goes on and if we end up in the last game playing all freshman and sophmores who want to be on the field and are playing as best they can, I will be there with bells on yelling for them.
Everyone needs to take a deep breathe and relax. Several times in my career I have gone into companies that I have bought and cleaned house. It is never easy, but I can only imagine how hard it is to get attitude changes out of 19-22 year olds that have been treated like gods all the way thru high school and college. I think I am going to leave it to the guy getting paid all the $$$ to figure out the best way to do it. Gene really does have more to lose than any of us in this game!
I hope to watch them get better as the year goes on and if we end up in the last game playing all freshman and sophmores who want to be on the field and are playing as best they can, I will be there with bells on yelling for them.
I don't want to jump on Todd or Bret too much without truly knowing what is going on, but if they're whining and not playing hard because of the new system then there is no hope for them. Especially Todd, he has a legit shot at playing on Sundays....and a $hitty senior season will hurt his chances big time.
If they think they're tough $hit and Chizik isn't buying it, then I'll be very happy when our next line of stars (Arnaud, Bates, etc.) are upperclassmen. We'll have some talented stars with good attitudes to boot.
Like I said, this is all speculation and I don't want to rip these guys too much yet....but if its true.......
If they think they're tough $hit and Chizik isn't buying it, then I'll be very happy when our next line of stars (Arnaud, Bates, etc.) are upperclassmen. We'll have some talented stars with good attitudes to boot.
Like I said, this is all speculation and I don't want to rip these guys too much yet....but if its true.......
OK, fairly mellow might not have been the right term in that context. I meant fairly mellow in comparison to Chizik with all things considered. The difference in how they do things is so big that it's hard to get the point across. Mac was a great coach and was incredibly intense, however, that didn't always follow through to discipline for not doing what needed to be done. When I say mellow, I mean he didn't follow his hard talk with what I felt were hard actions. That still doesn't sound right but I give up
Mac was a father figure, I've heard that from several players. Chizik is a hard-nosed guy that knows what needs done and it takes a different form than Mac's intensity.
Mac was a father figure, I've heard that from several players. Chizik is a hard-nosed guy that knows what needs done and it takes a different form than Mac's intensity.
OK, fairly mellow might not have been the right term in that context. I meant fairly mellow in comparison to Chizik with all things considered. The difference in how they do things is so big that it's hard to get the point across. Mac was a great coach and was incredibly intense, however, that didn't always follow through to discipline for not doing what needed to be done. When I say mellow, I mean he didn't follow his hard talk with what I felt were hard actions. That still doesn't sound right but I give up
Mac was a father figure, I've heard that from several players. Chizik is a hard-nosed guy that knows what needs done and it takes a different form than Mac's intensity.
Like I said I don't know Chizik, but I agree with this. Chizik is a tough-nosed military guy, and Mac was just psyched up all the time. Both are intense, but are totally different.
Look, I offered to do Blythe's part of the dishes because that was the reason yesterday. Today it's because Chizik is hard on the guys. What am I supposed to do with that one?
Ok, regardless of how any player feels, they have a scholarship from ISU. They play for ISU and the coaches are the ones in charge.
If they cannot accept this, then regardless of short term consequences take what ever steps are needed to be in control of this program and its future. The players play, they are not in charge.
If they cannot accept this, then regardless of short term consequences take what ever steps are needed to be in control of this program and its future. The players play, they are not in charge.