Clayborn

[ClimbIowa]

You are fooling yourself if you think that Iowa didn't need that punt to win the game. Football is a game of momentum. Iowa's offense hadn't done anything to that point

Arkansas St is a 4-8 team that Louisville beat worse than you did. Like I said top 5 to even top 15 teams beat ASU by 40+ this year

Forcier was not good. Did you not watch the game. That's not the point anyway. Iowa was given 3 TO's. 3 times Michigan handed the ball to them without them being forced

How could anyone argue this Iowa team wasn't lucky? That makes no sense. That's like me saying that Iowa State wasn't lucky against Nebraska. We were extremely lucky that they gift wrapped a couple TO's for us. I am not going to pretend that we are better than we are because of it

No I'm not. When you talk about "needing" a specific 7 points in an 11 point victory, you are the one making assumptions. Not me.

Arkansas State played two good teams: Nebraska and Iowa. Neither team won by 40+ or even 30+. Don't overstate your case.

And Forcier was good in the first half. Sure, he fumbled a snap, but his first touchdown drive was a thing of beauty. He struggled with Iowa's defense in the 2nd half after taking a couple big hits. Iowa has a very good defense.

 

[Gonzo]

No I'm not. When you talk about "needing" a specific 7 points in an 11 point victory, you are the one making assumptions. Not me.

Arkansas State played two good teams: Nebraska and Iowa. Neither team won by 40+ or even 30+. Don't overstate your case.

And Forcier was good in the first half. Sure, he fumbled a snap, but his first touchdown drive was a thing of beauty. He struggled with Iowa's defense in the 2nd half after taking a couple big hits. Iowa has a very good defense.

Might want to take some of your own advice. Nebraska beat them 38-9 and had 500 yards of offense. Presenting the outcome of those two games as comparable seems like a bit of an overstatement.

 

[pyrocyz]

Was Clayborn's decision in part based on his trial coming up in March? Would NFL teams pass on him if he was possibly going to spend up to a year in jail? He probably will get slapped on the wrist but who knows?

I highlighted the most important word in this, also what if he isn't convicted? Does that mean the judicial system is favoring Iowa athletes?

Don't some of you think he is taking this to a trial because he has a good case? Otherwise he could have ended this last spring by pleading guilty, getting slapped on the wrist from the judge and probably suspended for the UNI game.

So what i don't understand is a guy is charged for punching a taxi driver and his trial gets pushed back over 6 months. Meanwhile, a girl who just yelled at him throughout a game is swiftly charged and tried for harrasment??

Iowa football: Fan foung guilty of harassing Hawkeye player | desmoinesregister.com | The Des Moines Register


I'm not saying that there is preferential treatment, but how can you sit there and defend a program that has had a recent history of legal problems.

 

[ClimbIowa]

Might want to take some of your own advice. Nebraska beat them 38-9 and had 500 yards of offense. Presenting the outcome of those two games as comparable seems like a bit of an overstatement.

Not my mistake. You're simply reading too much into my argument. That's on you. The original statement was that any top-15 team beats Arkansas State by 40+. Fine. One can believe that, but it's probably not true. Nebraska crushed them and won by 29. Iowa controlled the game and won by 3. Nobody beat Arkansas State by 30+, let alone 40+ so it's hard to say that there are 15 specific teams out there that would meet that challenge.

As for me comparing the two games, I'm not. I'm only interested in them individually insofar as they prove that beating Arkansas State by 40+ isn't easily done.

Either way, the week Nebraska was beating Arkansas State by 29 at home, Iowa was beating Iowa State by 32 on the road. I'd guess that Arkansas State simply played better against Iowa than they did against Nebraska and Iowa's o-line didn't play as well. After all, their qb was probably tied with Pat Grace for the best effort against Iowa. Both had 4th quarters where they strung together a lot of nice completions (it's not surprising since both are senior signal callers).

Just try to make sure you're criticizing me for something I'm actually saying as opposed to something you're "reading into" my argument.

 

[Gonzo]

Not my mistake. You're simply reading too much into my argument. That's on you. The original statement was that any top-15 team beats Arkansas State by 40+. Fine. One can believe that, but it's probably not true. Nebraska crushed them and won by 29. Iowa controlled the game and won by 3. Nobody beat Arkansas State by 30+, let alone 40+ so it's hard to say that there are 15 specific teams out there that would meet that challenge.

As for me comparing the two games, I'm not. I'm only interested in them individually insofar as they prove that beating Arkansas State by 40+ isn't easily done.

Either way, the week Nebraska was beating Arkansas State by 29 at home, Iowa was beating Iowa State by 32 on the road. I'd guess that Arkansas State simply played better against Iowa than they did against Nebraska and Iowa's o-line didn't play as well. After all, their qb was probably tied with Pat Grace for the best effort against Iowa. Both had 4th quarters where they strung together a lot of nice completions (it's not surprising since both are senior signal callers).

Just try to make sure you're criticizing me for something I'm actually saying as opposed to something you're "reading into" my argument.

Right. But the way you stated it implied that neither of the two really good teams they played handled them easily, when Nebraska did and we didn't. Would be kind of like saying ISU played two top-30 FBS teams who were undefeated at the time they played (Iowa and Kansas) and neither beat them by 33+.

 

[TheGovernator]

??? Since when is throwing an interception counted as HANDING a team a turnover? It's not and it also is not what I said

Michigan player dropped a punt that Iowa recovered. That is handing it to a team

Forcier dropped a ball with nobody around him. That is handing it to a team.

When Stanzi threw an INT (something he did more than anyone else in the country while he was healthy) you can't say that is the same

Don't mean to shift gears too much. However; this, I would say, is an instance where an ISU fan is using something only since it fits their argument.

Meaning, since Stanzi threw the pass and the Michigan corner had to make a play on it, it was a forced turnover.

Let's turn back the clock to the Iowa vs. Iowa State game. Countless ISU fans were running around saying that Arnaud threw those lollipop interceptions and those weren't forced at all.

So which is it? Is an interception forced or unforced?

I happen to agree with your post that the muffed punt and simply dropping the ball with no contact is an unforced turnover. While some interceptions are easy as pie, the defender still has to make a play and catch the ball.

As far as the original topic, just let it go fellas. I'm guessing a lot of you will see that statement coming from the "Iowa fan in me". Honestly, what good does it do to argue about something where the details are so vague, and nobody knows anything other than second-hand info at best?

It's like arguing whether or not Mother Theresa was a good lay---nobody knows.

 

[MontyBurns]

I guess we're just pretending that Iowa didn't lose their starting quarterback early in that game?

Serious title contenders don't lose to mediocre teams like Northwestern and they don't make lame excuses. Cincinnati lost Tony Pike (who is 10 times the QB Stanzi is) and they didn't make excuses, they just kept winning games. That's what serious title contenders do.

 

[Gonzo]

Serious title contenders don't lose to mediocre teams like Northwestern and they don't make lame excuses. Cincinnati lost Tony Pike (who is 10 times the QB Stanzi is) and they didn't make excuses, they just kept winning games. That's what serious title contenders do.

2008 national champion Florida lost to Ole Miss, who finished the regular season ranked 25th (Northwestern finished ranked 23rd).

2007 national champion LSU lost to 7-5 unranked Kentucky and 8-4 unranked Arkansas.

 

[MontyBurns]

2008 national champion Florida lost to Ole Miss, who finished the regular season ranked 25th (Northwestern finished ranked 23rd).

2007 national champion LSU lost to 7-5 unranked Kentucky and 8-4 unranked Arkansas.

Those teams also had multiple wins against ranked teams. Their strength of schedules makes Iowa look like they're playing in a mid-major conference.

Florida 2008 -- 6 wins against ranked teams (#1 Alabama, #1 Oklahoma, #3 LSU, #8 Georgia, #23 South Carolina, and #24 Florida State).

LSU 2007 -- 7 wins against ranked teams (#1 Ohio State, #7 Florida, #9 Virginia Tech, #14 South Carolina, #15 Tennessee, #18 Alabama, and #19 Auburn).

Iowa 2009 -- 1 win against ranked teams. That's right....one.

Try again.

 

[RoyalsAreBack]

I will tell you what folks, Iowa was the only team in the COUNTRY to have close wins. Yep, the ONLY Team. Alabama sure didn't.....Texas surely didn't.... No florida, no way they did. wait....Iowa was lucky to win every game this year.....All Luck involved not because Iowa MADE plays. All Luck.

 

[DJKHawk]

Those teams also had multiple wins against ranked teams. Their strength of schedules makes Iowa look like they're playing in a mid-major conference.

Florida 2008 -- 6 wins against ranked teams (#1 Alabama, #1 Oklahoma, #3 LSU, #8 Georgia, #23 South Carolina, and #24 Florida State).

LSU 2007 -- 7 wins against ranked teams (#1 Ohio State, #7 Florida, #9 Virginia Tech, #14 South Carolina, #15 Tennessee, #18 Alabama, and #19 Auburn).

Iowa 2009 -- 1 win against ranked teams. That's right....one.

Try again.

Your original statement: "Serious title contenders don't lose to mediocre teams like Northwestern."

Gonzo refuted your assertion.

Oh, and by the way, if you're going to pull out a whole new set of facts to aid your cause, it would serve you well to use the only poll that matters. Hint: It's the last one.

2008 Florida beat 4 teams that finished in the top 25. One of them was its bowl opponent (Oklahoma).

2007 LSU did better, beating 5 teams that finished in the top 25.

Using the same metric, 2009 Iowa has beaten 3 ranked teams. Of course, this is contingent upon how those teams fare in their respective bowls. Iowa has a chance to have beaten 4 teams that finished the season ranked in the top 25.

Try again?

 

[MontyBurns]

Your original statement: "Serious title contenders don't lose to mediocre teams like Northwestern."

Gonzo refuted your assertion.

Oh, and by the way, if you're going to pull out a whole new set of facts to aid your cause, it would serve you well to use the only poll that matters. Hint: It's the last one.

2008 Florida beat 4 teams that finished in the top 25. One of them was its bowl opponent (Oklahoma).

2007 LSU did better, beating 5 teams that finished in the top 25.

Using the same metric, 2009 Iowa has beaten 3 ranked teams. Of course, this is contingent upon how those teams fare in their respective bowls. Iowa has a chance to have beaten 4 teams that finished the season ranked in the top 25.

Try again?

Gonzo refuted nothing.

Iowa beat one ranked team in 2009 -- Penn State. Where they finish the season is irrelevent if they weren't ranked when Iowa played them. The last poll is not the one that matters for teams you played early in the year. Oklahoma was a good team in September before they lost their QB, best LB, and most of their OL. Beating them in September was a quality win, even if it isn't now. And it works the other way. Northwestern, for example, was not ranked until they beat a bunch of weak Big Ten teams...and they won't be ranked after they lose to Auburn. I guess that is too complex for you to understand.

I will make it simple: Iowa was not a serious title contender because they are not good enough. You'll find it out again next year, too.

 

[Gonzo]

Monty's a joke. He knows it. My 5-year-old daughter could outwit him. He talks out of his you-know-what, gets proven wrong, disappears, then tries again a week later.

He said it: "Serious title contenders don't lose to mediocre teams like Northwestern..." Well, the 2007 and 2008 champions DID lose to mediocre teams like Northwestern. So he scrambles for something else.

Typical weak, uninformed post. Good luck against Minny.

 

[DJKHawk]

Monty's a joke. He knows it. My 5-year-old daughter could outwit him. He talks out of his you-know-what, gets proven wrong, disappears, then tries again a week later.

He said it: "Serious title contenders don't lose to mediocre teams like Northwestern..." Well, the 2007 and 2008 champions DID lose to mediocre teams like Northwestern. So he scrambles for something else.

Typical weak, uninformed post. Good luck against Minny.

Agreed on all points. I love how he has to attack my intelligence toward the end of his post. Whatever helps him sleep at night, I guess.

 

[MontyBurns]

He said it: "Serious title contenders don't lose to mediocre teams like Northwestern..." Well, the 2007 and 2008 champions DID lose to mediocre teams like Northwestern. So he scrambles for something else.

Actually LSU and Florida lost to teams that are better than Northwestern. And they owned 6+ quality wins over ranked teams....something Iowa does not have. They also won their conference, something Iowa cannot do when Ohio State is on the schedule. Try again.

 

[CloneBoner]

Monty, dude, shut up and move on. You were shown up on the Internet, let it go. To avoid this (and prior instances similar to this) in the future, try and make your posts less matter-of-fact. You get ****ed up in every thread it seems because you keep trying to create a universal truth out of your opinion.

 

[MontyBurns]

Monty, dude, shut up and move on. You were shown up on the Internet, let it go. To avoid this (and prior instances similar to this) in the future, try and make your posts less matter-of-fact. You get ****ed up in every thread it seems because you keep trying to create a universal truth out of your opinion.

Do you have reading comprehension problems? Evidently. The fact is, Iowa is not a national title contender. Heck, even Kirk Ferentz said Iowa was not an elite team before they lost to Northwestern. His own delusional fans who can't see reality...which does make it entertaining when their "national title contender" loses at home to Northwestern.

 

[Gonzo]

Do you have reading comprehension problems? Evidently. The fact is, Iowa is not a national title contender. Heck, even Kirk Ferentz said Iowa was not an elite team before they lost to Northwestern. His own delusional fans who can't see reality...which does make it entertaining when their "national title contender" loses at home to Northwestern.

Right, we're 10-2 and playing in the Orange Bowl. The joke's clearly on us.

 

[hawkeyescott]

Serious title contenders don't lose to mediocre teams like Northwestern and they don't make lame excuses. Cincinnati lost Tony Pike (who is 10 times the QB Stanzi is) and they didn't make excuses, they just kept winning games. That's what serious title contenders do.

Once again the mediocre Northwestern comes into play, so Monty are you going to answer my question from page 4 about what kind of record a team has to have to be mediocre?

Here is the question so you don't have to go dig it up:
Northwestern is 17-8 the last 2 years, how far above .500 does a team have to be to not be considered mediocre?

I'm not saying they are great and maybe not even "good" but they are an above average team and not mediocre, they did take the Big 12 North Champs to OT last year in the Alamo Bowl.

 

[MontyBurns]

Here is the question so you don't have to go dig it up:
Northwestern is 17-8 the last 2 years, how far above .500 does a team have to be to not be considered mediocre?.

Where are their quality wins? Duke, Towson, Southern Illinois, Eastern Michigan, and Miami of Ohio? Congratulations to them on a moral victory over Missouri. Get back to me when Northwestern gets a real victory outside of beating other mediocre Big Ten teams.