Bubu

[rochclone]

I do not presume to know what a person goes through who has been falsely accused of rape because I have never met one. For those who presume it is just as bad as rape, I hope you heard from victims of both rape and false accusation. The victims of rape I have worked with suffer differing consequences based on the person and the circumstances of the rape. Some suffer nightmares at least weekly decades later. Others commit suicide. Some are fired from their employment, disowned by their family, murdered, stalked, shunned, and harassed. Some attempt therapy; others are subject to civil commitment. Some become addicted to drugs and alcohol in an effort to forget. Others develop a variety of sexual disorders. Some face agonizing decisions as a result of pregnancy by rape. Others endure a variety a health concerns including STDs, eating disorders, HIV/AIDS, sleep disorders, etc. Some even live fairly normal lives eventually. Some carry physical and/or emotional scars for life. All are always presumed to be liars; that is why the majority of them never file criminal or civil charges.

I think the problem we are having in this thread is that people are viewing things from the extreme ends of the spectrum. Do some rape victims go through many of the struggles above; absolutely and I have seen some of it first hand. Similarly, I have seen people who have had there lives ruined by false allegations. People who have lost their friends, businesses, family only to be "vindicated" later. However, they can never shed the label of sex offender. However both of those examples probably make up less than 10 percent of these cases.

Normally it always starts with "well we were all out drinking......." whether it is coming from the defendant or the alleged victim. Finally, if you believe that rape victims are always presumed liars you live in a different world. In my experience law enforcement, nurses, prosecutors and advocates go out of their way to give every accuser the benefit of the doubt.

 

[nfrine]

Leath had additional inputs/discussions (I am not saying factual input) from members of the BOR that the courts did not deal with. It will be interesting if we find out what particular Regents were saying....This is where it gets murky for Leath, ISU and the BOR.

I think the civil case against the accuser will probably come out in Bubu's favor if it actually makes it to court.

 

[Jambalaya]

Bubu is like a bad lingering cough, or like Cher. He simply won't go away

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Bubu is like a bad lingering cough, or like Cher. He simply won't go away

I'll pose the same question to you that I did to phyllis...would you?

 

[ImJustKCClone]

I do not presume to know what a person goes through who has been falsely accused of rape because I have never met one. For those who presume it is just as bad as rape, I hope you heard from victims of both rape and false accusation. The victims of rape I have worked with suffer differing consequences based on the person and the circumstances of the rape. Some suffer nightmares at least weekly decades later. Others commit suicide. Some are fired from their employment, disowned by their family, murdered, stalked, shunned, and harassed. Some attempt therapy; others are subject to civil commitment. Some become addicted to drugs and alcohol in an effort to forget. Others develop a variety of sexual disorders. Some face agonizing decisions as a result of pregnancy by rape. Others endure a variety a health concerns including STDs, eating disorders, HIV/AIDS, sleep disorders, etc. Some even live fairly normal lives eventually. Some carry physical and/or emotional scars for life. All are always presumed to be liars; that is why the majority of them never file criminal or civil charges.

Although I was not the one who said the two were equally bad, I will respond to this. I have not counseled rape survivors, but I have known a few over the years, and yes...for some (many) the effects are long lasting. Unlike you, however, I have both known a person falsely accused, and have known a woman (a former friend) who falsely accused someone and laughed about it...hence the description as "former".

Women absolutely have the right to say no, and many have certainly been vilified or slut-shamed if they press charges. However, this does not lead me to believe automatically believe the woman in a he said/she said case. Cases like this one make me angry...because a woman who was exposed as having falsified evidence is pressing a case. Did they have sex? Yes. Was it consensual? Difference of opinion there...but one of them falsified evidence after the fact. Lifting this woman up as an example of what happens in the courts to women who were raped is doing them a disservice, as she only provides an example that defense attorneys will use in future cases, which will make it just that much harder for survivors of rape to talk themselves into coming forward and pressing charges.

 

[isuforlife]

go away Bubu

 

[klamath632]

It's uncanny how I disagree with some certain posters on EVERY subject matter. Not going to name anyone, just saying i truly despise some of your opinions in general. That's all

Great! That's real stand-up of you to say so.

 

[CycloneErik]

I'll go on record and say if Bubu is suing her the Register should publish her name.

I'll go on record and say they should not. Whether he's guilty, innocent, or whatever, that set an awfully bad precedent for future sexual assault cases. Great way to force women to be silent, but not a good solution overall.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

I'll go on record and say they should not. Whether he's guilty, innocent, or whatever, that set an awfully bad precedent for future sexual assault cases. Great way to force women to be silent, but not a good solution overall.

I agree. I expect locals will be able to guess given the way the court documents read, but there is really no reason to name her in the newspapers and online if the court documents do not.

 

[SoapyCy]

I agree. I expect locals will be able to guess given the way the court documents read, but there is really no reason to name her in the newspapers and online if the court documents do not.

Her name isn't redacted from the state court website because civil cases are public record.

 

[Clonefan32]

go away Bubu

Yes, because he filed a civil lawsuit for the sole reason of forcing CFers to have to read more about him...

I just don't get why people are all up in arms about this. If he feels this individual has used the court system to harass him, then he should sue her. The Court system will flush out what really happened and we will get some additional answers one way or the other. Whether we care about those answers, or whether we should care about those answers, is another story, but I see no issue with him pursuing a legal remedy if he believes he was wronged.

 

[Wesley]

CyPhillis is right about a few things. Bubu's criminal case never got to the ultimate fact finder (the jury) because the prosecutor (the same guy/gal that goes to trial on cases like this on a monthly basis) viewed all the evidence in the light most favorable to the State of Iowa and still drew the conclusion he couldn't get a conviction. This has nothing to do with Bubu being an athlete, this has to do with an alleged victim destroying her credibility by lying about evidence.

As a person that has prosecuted and defended people facing these charges there is nothing more dispicable than a person making false allegations. It ruins the accused's life in so many ways and because of people like you, there is always the sentiment that the accused got away with something.

It also appears to be a conspiracy of mother and daughter making evidence after the event. Not good.

 

[Wesley]

Holy smokes, this thread is almost comical. There sure are a lot of judges on the internet jury!

One group of judges will be eating crow and the other group will be saying I told you so.:realmad:

 

[Wesley]

I'll go on record and say they should not. Whether he's guilty, innocent, or whatever, that set an awfully bad precedent for future sexual assault cases. Great way to force women to be silent, but not a good solution overall.

If she concocted evidence with Mom, she is stupid.

 

[aauummm]

Leath had additional inputs/discussions (I am not saying factual input) from members of the BOR that the courts did not deal with. It will be interesting if we find out what particular Regents were saying....This is where it gets murky for Leath, ISU and the BOR.

I think the civil case against the accuser will probably come out in Bubu's favor if it actually makes it to court.

It would be very interesting if those inputs were to be made public. Also the input that the mother had with her friend on the BOR.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Her name isn't redacted from the state court website because civil cases are public record.

The filing that I read gave initials for her and full name for her co-defendant. I didn't look at the state court website. However, at this stage, what purpose would it serve to name her?

 

[SoapyCy]

It wouldn't serve any purpose. Just saying the info is readily accessible, even WHO TV printed their names.

 

[Wesley]

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspo...sues-woman-who-accused-him-of-sexual-assault/

http://www.press-citizen.com/story/...lo-suing-accuser-in-sex-assault-case/9437879/

http://www.scribd.com/doc/225672225/Bubu-Palo-Court-Documents

Reading the last link, it appears that Mom was vindictive and was actually not happy with Bubu's punishment by Leath. She wanted the whole enchilada, perhaps because she was scared of a counter lawsuit?

 

[JP4CY]

For those that where around ISU 2000-2001, this reminds case is somewhat reminiscent:
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/news/article_2030758d-2bf6-5e65-b7b3-d2a061b10013.html

Rape and sexual assault are so horrific and don't get reported enough.
False accusations don't get enough punishment.
A combination of the two above statements also reverts back to people being fearful.

The link I posted, shows that the accuser was sentenced to probation. She could have ruined 4 mens lives. The accuser in the Bubu case could have ruined his life. There needs to be a harsh, harsh punishment for her.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

It wouldn't serve any purpose. Just saying the info is readily accessible, even WHO TV printed their names.

If it's public record, then I understand it. I don't necessarily agree with it, as both of us (and others) have pointed out that naming her serves no purpose at this point...but I understand it.